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Post by oldsalfordian on Dec 7, 2012 2:14:19 GMT
I am uncertain of how many of the lads I will be able to identify as 100% correct as some of the pictures only give a surname. J Barbour. This is a brilliant photo, older by one year than any we have on the Old Salfordians' website. We would very much like it on our website. When it was taken the School was still sharing a building with the Royal Technical Institute on the Crescent, where our war memorial has hung since 2010. HM was the Head Master Mr. H B Knowles, who from 1904 to 1909 had been Principal of the RTI as well as our headmaster. Mr Hudson, who had been appointed in 1908 and taught history, geography and music, is of particular interest. He enlisted in 1916 and applied to be accepted as a conscientious objector. Conscientious objectors were put in three categories: a) exempted military service absolutely, b) to perform a civilian service or c) to serve as a non-combattant in the army. The rest were forced into the army, which was his fate. He repeatedly refused uniform and orders, and spent the rest of the war (and more) in and out of prison, serving a total of two and a half years. He was unable to return to teaching in peacetime and went into politics, serving as an MP from 1923 to 1931 and again from 1945 to 1955. He was as committed to temperance as he was pacifism. He died in 1962 aged 80, and Harold Wilson visited him on his deathbed. John Morton Barbour was born at Lytham, the son of a Scottish couple. He was one of two crewmen killed when HM Trawler 'Anthony Hope' hit a mine in the Channel off Le Havre on 16th Nov 1916. He was 21 and his body wasn't recovered. L Wright was Leonard Wright. He came back to the School and was the School Secretary for many years. For decades he was the Secretary and/or Treasurer of the Old Salfordians' Association. I think he may have died in 1951. All the pupil records from the School's foundation in 1904 to date, which were so detailed they were often used by academic researchers, were incinerated in a fire in 1963 which destroyed the headmaster's study and the secretaries' office. The School was abolished in 1973 and the school that inherited the building subsequently finished the job off by destroying the pupil records for 1963-73.
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Post by shred on Dec 8, 2012 13:14:43 GMT
Oldsalfordian, you are free to use any information on these forums as you wish. I have more pictures that I have yet to compare and match to the names on the memorial. When I am able I will return to the library to shoot some macro shots of each of the lads.
Many thanks for the information that you have provided.
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Post by shred on Dec 8, 2012 13:39:15 GMT
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Post by shred on Dec 8, 2012 13:40:57 GMT
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Post by shred on Dec 8, 2012 13:43:30 GMT
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Post by shred on Dec 8, 2012 13:45:30 GMT
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Post by shred on Dec 8, 2012 13:47:37 GMT
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Post by shred on Dec 8, 2012 13:48:56 GMT
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Post by shred on Dec 8, 2012 13:51:29 GMT
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Post by shred on Dec 8, 2012 13:53:59 GMT
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Post by oldsalfordian on Dec 8, 2012 17:24:33 GMT
This is a treasure trove. In one photo, there is Lance Corporal Alfred Quick DCM sitting next to his classmate Private Harry Rebbitt. Immediately behind them is fellow classmate Private Alfred Daber. All three had been killed by 1916, two at Gallipoli and one in France. One was 18, one 19 and one 20.
A photo like this really brings it home what a tragedy that war was, and in this particular photo there is the added piquancy of the class teacher, Mr Hudson, who served two and a half years in prison when his claim of conscientious objection was rejected.
What a lot to ponder, and when the pondering is done, I'll have to go carefully through each photo. I shall enjoy every minute. Are the originals in SLHL?
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Post by shred on Dec 8, 2012 17:55:48 GMT
Yes, the originals are at the SLHL. There are also two other items that will be of interest, an album containing photos from the 1930s to the 1950s, and a book containing press cuttings about the school and its scholars.
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Post by oldsalfordian on Dec 9, 2012 23:23:24 GMT
Yes, the originals are at the SLHL. There are also two other items that will be of interest, an album containing photos from the 1930s to the 1950s, and a book containing press cuttings about the school and its scholars. I wonder how long they've had this material, because I spent many hours there in 2009 and 2010 researching the 74 guys on this memorial and laboriously transcribing articles and announcements, but no-one mentioned it to me. Some of the attempts to identify the men that have been posted here in the past are wrong, and I shall correct them shortly.
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mack
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Post by mack on Mar 14, 2013 3:18:09 GMT
1916 at the speech day of salford secondary school,the headmaster,mr h.b winfield said that five members of staff had joined the forces and most of the 800 boys who had left the school,three of these have won the DCM. sgt 1737[200259] cyril barnes,5th manchesters,myrtle villa,hazelhurst,worsley,also MID 11-7-16,wounded at gallipoli on 26-12-15 but remained on duty cpl 106100 isidor balban,187th coy RE,7 devonshire st,broughton,later commissioned in kings liverpool regt,died in ancoats hospital 23-5-1951 L/cpl s/714 alfred quick,12th rifle brigade,"sunnyside"yew st,broughton,killed in action 15-4-16
mack
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