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Post by gilesc on Jan 30, 2015 16:00:28 GMT
I hope you can help.
I am trying to trace my two great uncles without success. They were both born in Salford and at the 1901 census Thomas was living on Hampson Street with his mother Jane.I remember and old photo on my gt grandmother's sideboard of a man in army uniform, and was always told that his name was Tommy and he died in WW1.
I have found army records of various Tommy Bevans but none are " my " Tommy.
Do you have any records of my gt uncles
Regards
Carolyn
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 19:16:04 GMT
Hi & welcome Carolyn.
Not at my home pc right now but have you checked these chaps out?
1911 census BEVAN THOMAS 1888 23 Overseas Military
1918 Absent Voter Register for Salford North Division,
Thomas Bevan - 99692 ___, R.E.
Qualifying Premises: 43 School Street
Mother 1911 at 119 New Lane, Winton.
Jane Bevan 55
Edith Bevan 30
John Bevan 20
Is this your Robert Bevan?
Baptism: 1 Oct 1879 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire, England
Robert Bevin - Child of Thomas Bevin & Jane
Born: 5 Dec 1878
Abode: 9 Heap's Ct.
Occupation: Warehouseman
Baptised by: J. P. Thompson
Don't suppose you have the photo of the man in uniform do you? Might be able to work out his regiment from it?
Ben
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2015 19:46:14 GMT
If these are Thomas & john Bevan's marriages, then Thomas didn't die during the war> Both have a father Thomas, Occupation-Warehouse-man ( I know Thomas Jr say father deceased & John doesn't, but John may have failed to inform them ) & have an Edith Emily Bevan as a witness, possibly sister of both men? Plus both Thomas & john's age fit?  |
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Post by shred on Jan 31, 2015 11:19:47 GMT
Carolyn,
Welcome to the forums.
After checking numerous sources I, like Ben, cannot find any evidence of the death of your Thomas Bevan during the Great War.
There was a John Bevan from Patricroft who died
JOHN BEVAN
Rank:Private
Service No:9900
Date of Death:03/04/1918
Regiment/Service:Lancashire Fusiliers 16th Bn.
Grave Reference: C. 2.
Cemetery:QUESNOY FARM MILITARY CEMETERY
BIRTH PLACE: Patricroft, Lancs
DEATH PLACE: France and Flanders
ENLISTMENT PLACE: Salford, Lancs
TYPE OF CASUALTY: Killed in action
But he could be one of two men:
John Bevan Jane abt 1891 Patricroft, Patricroft Son Eccles, Lancashire (your relation)
John Bevan abt 1898 Patricroft, Lancashire, England Nephew Eccles, Lancashire
Unfortunately I cannot find any further information to pin him down for sure.
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Post by gilesc on Jan 31, 2015 12:41:03 GMT
morning shred!
I had checked these out using the usual sources and they weren't my family. Thank you sooo much for taking the time though
regards Carolyn
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 14:21:56 GMT
JOHN BEVAN
Rank:Private
Service No:9900
Date of Death:03/04/1918
War gratuity paid to his grandmother, a Mrs Elizabeth (Eliza) A Fielding.
Now the only way i can link John to a fielding family in Patricroft.
1891 at the 15 Hampson street, Patricroft
Thomas Bevan 36
Jane Bevan 35
Robert Bevan 12
Emily Bevan 10
Minnie Bevan 8
Frances Bevan 6
Thomas Bevan 4
Robert Bevan married Ellen Fielding 1897 at Christ Church, Patricroft.
1891 at 177 Liverpool street, Patricroft.
James Fielding 32
Elzth A Fielding 32
Mary E Fielding 13
W Henry Fielding 12
Ellen Fielding 10
Robt Fielding 9
Alice Fielding 7
James Fielding 5
1901 at 4 New row,Patricroft
Robert Bevan 22
Ellen Bevan 21
Thomas Bevan 2
Ben
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Post by gilesc on Jan 31, 2015 14:29:28 GMT
O I can't believe all this info. I'll have to stop being giddy and have a cuppa. More later when I've calmed down.
X Carolyn
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Post by gilesc on Jan 31, 2015 14:45:24 GMT
me again Ben. So the John Bevan who died in the Great War was not the brother of Edith Emily Bevan ( witness at his wedding) because this wedding is dated 19th July 1919 and Private John Bevan died 3/4/18. It is certainly my family though and I will now work out the connection. BTW how on earth did you find out about the gratuity paid to Private Bevan's grandmother. May I ask one more thing? Where was Private Bevan killed?
All the best
Carolyn
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2015 16:45:29 GMT
1901 at the 177 Liverpool road, Patricroft James Fielding 42 Elizabeth Alice Fielding 42 William Hery Fielding 22 Robert Fielding 19 Alice Fielding 17 James Fielding 15 John Bevan 3 Grandson 1911 at 8 New St Green Lane Patricroft Robert Fielding 29 Leah Fielding 25 Walter Fielding 5 James Fielding 1month Elizabeth Alice Fielding 51 mother John Bevan 13 Nephew (Elizabeth Alice Fielding grandchild). The war graves photographic projectBest match i can fid for this John Bevan's birth and you would need to get the certificate to see if it is correct man? Birth: Dec 1/4 1897 Bevan John Barton Irwell. Vol: 8c Page: 706 Ben |
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Post by gilesc on Feb 2, 2015 13:58:02 GMT
JOHN BEVAN Rank:Private Service No:9900 Date of Death:03/04/1918 War gratuity paid to his grandmother, a Mrs Elizabeth (Eliza) A Fielding. Now the only way i can link John to a fielding family in Patricroft. 1891 at the 15 Hampson street, Patricroft Thomas Bevan 36 Jane Bevan 35 Robert Bevan 12 Emily Bevan 10 Minnie Bevan 8 Frances Bevan 6 Thomas Bevan 4 Robert Bevan married Ellen Fielding 1897 at Christ Church, Patricroft. 1891 at 177 Liverpool street, Patricroft. James Fielding 32 Elzth A Fielding 32 Mary E Fielding 13 W Henry Fielding 12 Ellen Fielding 10 Robt Fielding 9 Alice Fielding 7 James Fielding 5 1901 at 4 New row,Patricroft Robert Bevan 22 Ellen Bevan 21 Thomas Bevan 2 Ben |
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Post by gilesc on Feb 2, 2015 14:00:54 GMT
hi Ben,
I#ve sent for a birth cert for the John who was killed.
Although I have searched I've not come across a record of the gratuity paid to his grandmother you mention in your post. Please will you guide me to this record.
Many thanks
Carolyn xxx
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Post by shred on Feb 2, 2015 20:21:02 GMT
Carolyn, Here is the gratuity  Please note that the record states that John's death is given as on, or shortly after, the 3/04/1918. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 22:15:39 GMT
Ancestry- UK, Army Registers of Soldiers' Effects, 1901-1929 linkBen |
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Post by gilesc on Feb 3, 2015 12:17:31 GMT
Good morning Guys.
You are so much better than me when doing a search.
This info is invaluable
Many thanks
Carolyn
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Post by shred on Feb 3, 2015 21:19:02 GMT
John Bevan was killed close to Ayette (approx 15 miles south of Arras) in France.  The following page (provided by forum member prospectroad) is taken from the 16th Lancashire Fusiliers war diary, showing events from the 1st April - 3rd April 1918. As John's death was assumed to be on the 3rd or shortly after I would think that he was one of the 9 missing (right hand margin).  |
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