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Post by prospectroad on Sept 21, 2014 13:40:25 GMT
Have you tried the Manchester Regiment's forum (http://themanchesters.org/)? You'll find lots of people with a great knowledge of the Manchesters.
Cheers Pete
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 14:11:59 GMT
Just spotted this & seems most if not all we found had already been post for dcmluckyman last year? linkBen
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 21, 2014 16:03:03 GMT
Thank you again, Is there anyway for a guy 6K miles away to get specific service records? Everything I have gotten so far is gleaned from the medal card. I have seen services that seem to want significant fees with no guarantees, I do understand that a lot of records were destroyed in WW2. Any thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2014 17:10:17 GMT
I think if WW1 records are not on line with the big genealogical sites like Ancestry & FMP, they i don't think they survived. You might be lucky & find newspaper clips relating to the man, but sometime you just have to take it there is no records for some service personnel, i'v had to with some of my family. We all think that they are out there but it's not always the case.
Ben
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 21, 2014 19:03:12 GMT
Yeah, this whole adventure started last year when my Dad's widow gave me some of his military records, he was a lifefer in USAF. Amongst his stuff I found my grandfather WW1 Medals, I joined ancestry UK and all I really found was the role cards. I found other interesting family stuff, ie while my Granddad was born in Salford, his dad had come over from the Ise of Mann.
I never really new my Granddad, as my Dad was a career military man,we moved around.
I don't think he was close to his father.
Relative to Arthur I found when he emigrated to Canada, but as I only have a UK membership I don't know much more about when we came to North America. My direct memories are of as grumpy old man not really into children. Hindsight is that he was a drinker who lived with his sister as a divorced retired railway worker. Only in recent times has American society become sensitive to the impact of post traumatic stress among veterans how saw combat. Wish I knew more, however many military brats are disconnected from family.
You guys have been great helping me put together what I have, particularly confirming he was in theatre. Another forum felt he had spent the war in country. Once I found the star card I knew he had been in action overseas.
BTW, videos I have found show the enlisted troops in what looks to be pith helmets with a badge that states Egypt on it. If I wanted to go to ebay and source a correct badge, is this the one? Further once the unit went to the western front, what would they of worn?
As I referenced earlier, family legend is that he was gassed on the western front.
Is there any other resource where I might confirm?
Also specifics about the action in Europe?
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Post by prospectroad on Sept 21, 2014 20:17:07 GMT
There is a history of the battalion's WW1 service at themanchesters.org/7th%20batt.htmIt appears that your grandad's records were destroyed in the blitz therefore there is no way of proving for certain that he was gassed, Regards Pete
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 22, 2014 22:35:35 GMT
Would this be correct B4 I make bid on ebay? Attachments:
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 22, 2014 22:53:34 GMT
Or this one? Attachments:
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 22, 2014 23:02:34 GMT
or this one Attachments:
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Post by prospectroad on Sept 23, 2014 5:22:18 GMT
The second one with 'Manchester' on the badge. The other two are Lancashire Fusiliers and East Lancashire badges
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 23, 2014 23:51:17 GMT
I get so confused by the organization; Is this correct?
Arthur was part of the 1/7 battalion
which was part of the 125 Brigade
which was part of the 42 division
which was part of the Manchester Regiment?
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Post by prospectroad on Sept 24, 2014 5:44:17 GMT
Arthur was a member of 1st/7th (Territorial Force) Battalion of the Manchester Regiment. The battalion was part of 127th Infantry Brigade (not 125th) of the 42nd (East Lancashire) Division.
In order, from largest to smallest is:
Army Corps Division Brigade Battalion
In turn, each battalion was made up of:
Companies Platoons Sections
By the way, the 1st/7th Battalion was originally part of the Manchester Brigade but this changed to 127th Brigade on 26th May 1915 (while they were in Gallipoli).
Hope this helps
Pete
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 24, 2014 22:04:40 GMT
Was the Manchester Brigade the 125th
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Post by prospectroad on Sept 25, 2014 5:12:18 GMT
No, the Manchester Brigade became the 127th (Manchester) Brigade. The 125th (Lancashire Fusiliers) Brigade was also part of the 42nd (East Lancashire) Division.
In 1915 the 42nd Division comprised:
125th (Lancashire Fusiliers) Brigade 126th (East Lancashire) Brigade 127th (Manchester) Brigade
Plus Royal Artillery, Pioneers, etc
The 127th Brigade comprised:
1st/5th Battalion Manchester Regiment (from Wigan) 1st/6th Battalion Manchester Regiment (from Hulme) 1st/7th Battalion Manchester Regiment (from Manchester) 1st/8th Battalion Manchester Regiment (from Ardwick)
Later in the war, the 117th Machine Gun Company and 127th Trench Mortar Battery were formed as part of the Brigade.
Cheers Pete
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 25, 2014 20:41:18 GMT
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