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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 18, 2014 19:31:21 GMT
While I have possession of his medals and have found copies of the Medal cards, I really know little detail of his service! Can anyone help?
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 18, 2014 19:40:52 GMT
correction 275350 and 1462
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2014 9:28:06 GMT
Hi & welcome DCMluckyman  1911@ 16 Back Roman Road Hr Broughton John Moore 41 Elizabeth Moore 40 John Moore 18 Arthur Moore 16 Trolley Boy Annie Moore 14 Elsie Moore 12 Harold Moore 10 Edward Moore 6 Albert Moore 4 Harry Moore 1 Hilda Moore 1 Taken from the 1918 absent voters register for Salford north division.  |
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 19, 2014 23:03:48 GMT
Thank you!, shoer, is that what it sounds like? I thought this was an infantry unit.
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 19, 2014 23:08:07 GMT
The only hints I have as to service are the medal role cards, his 15 star card says H/1/21 B
Theatre (2B) Balkans 6-15-15.
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Post by prospectroad on Sept 20, 2014 7:03:24 GMT
Thank you!, shoer, is that what it sounds like? I thought this was an infantry unit. The 1/7th Battalion, Manchester Regiment was a territorial infantry battalion. The infantry battalions had their own transport sections, hence the role of shoer. This was a trade not a rank. The theatre of war 'Balkans', in this case refers to Gallipoli. The date refers to when Arthur first served in a theatre of war, i.e. for his medal entitlement (1914/1915 star). He arrived in Gallipoli on 15th June 1915. This was shortly after the Third Battle of Krithia, where the allies had suffered heavy losses. The 1/7th had arrived in Gallipoli on 7th May and took part in the battle. Arthur must have been part of a replacement draft to make up for the losses sustained in the battle. Hope this helps Pete |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 7:51:36 GMT
Thank you!, shoer, is that what it sounds like? I thought this was an infantry unit. I'd of thought he might have been a sort of Smithy/Farrier for the battalion horses? But am no expert on this. Ben |
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 20, 2014 15:30:34 GMT
So it appears that I cannot say that Granddad saw action at Gallipoli. Given his trade is it likely he saw action or would he of been behind the lines?
Further family legend is that once they went to the Western front he was gassed. I have not found any evidence to this.
I understand the risk of legend. I never really knew him. By the time I was old enough in the mid sixties, he was a peripheral.
Any additional insight would be welcomed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2014 16:26:11 GMT
What was his occupation before & after the war? Shoer/Farrier were not just needed at home but all over the western front, something to keep in mind. Also as he seems to have two service numbers he could well have been transferred from one unit to another. The medal card index shows if he served overseas or not, check out the abbreviation at the bottom of this link to N.A. medal card index Like i said others more knowledgeable on military history should be able to help you when the pop on here. Ben |
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Post by prospectroad on Sept 20, 2014 18:29:29 GMT
Your grandad definitely saw action in Gallipoli. The battalion was in Gallipoli until December 1915 and there was not much room to be 'behind the lines'. Anyone there would have been put through the wringer.
After Gallipoli the battalion went to Egypt and remained there until March 1917 when they moved to the Western Front (battles included Passchendaele). Your grandad would have done 'his bit'. You should feel very proud of your his contribution.
Regards
Pete
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 20, 2014 19:57:51 GMT
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 20, 2014 19:58:57 GMT
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Post by prospectroad on Sept 20, 2014 20:19:42 GMT
Hi, would you please tell us what is typed on each of his three medals? This might help us find more info.
Regard
Pete
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Post by dcmluckyman on Sept 20, 2014 22:50:02 GMT
Surely!
Answering this question made me realize something for the first time!
The card for the star (see above) clearly calls out a 15 medal, what I have is a 14/15 with the following in 3 lines on the back
1462
pte A.Moore.
Manch R.
The other 2 have the following on the side;
275350 pte.A.MOORE. Manch.R.
BTW, the date in theatre as 6-5-15, this = June 5 1915? or May 6?, I am an american I miss-keyed earlier. How does this change any narrative?
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Post by prospectroad on Sept 20, 2014 23:47:23 GMT
Ok, now we're getting somewhere Ignore my earlier post. Your granddad wasn't part of a replacement draft. He arrived at V beach, Gallipoli, with the full battalion, on 6th May 1915 and would, therefore, have taken part in the Third Battle of Krithia, which opened on 5th June 1915. With regard to the star medal, there were two, the 1914 star (active service up to 22nd November 1914, i.e. The original BEF, or the 'Old Contemptibles' as the Kaiser referred to them) and the 1914/1915 Star (also referred to as the 1915 Star). Your grandfather received the latter. Both Star Medals were awarded to men who served in a theatre of war before January 1916 (when conscription was introduced). Recipients were either regular soldiers, ex-regular soldiers who were on the Army Reserve, Territorial soldiers who volunteered for overseas duty (Territorials only signed up for home defence service) or civilian volunteers. Your grandfather was almost certainly a Territorial soldier who volunteered for overseas duty. |
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