Family

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I have spoken to she who must be obeyed.

Her grandparents are: Harriet South and John W Sutton
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1918
SOUTH Harriet SUTTON John W Salford Ascension Salford C29/7/387

Harriet was the daughter of Richard and Mary South.
1911 census:
14 David St, Broughton
Richard South 47
Mary South 46
Richard South 17
Harriet South 15
James South 12
Florence South 10
Margaret South 8
John South 5

Harriet passed away before my wife was born, so she does not remember her. She does remember Florence (highlighted in red) who lived to a ripe old age and she does recall her great-aunt Flo saying that the family were related to the footballer Archie Gemmell (we don't know if there is any truth in this).

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The family in the 1901 census:

Richard South 35
Mary South 34
Annie South 16
Thomas South 13
Richard South 7
Florrie South 6 Months

Not sure were Harriet was?

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As far as I can make out your Gran Annie South (married James Gemmell) and my wife's Gran Harriet South were sisters.

[raymond]

Thank you for the info.....Does this mean anything to the one that must be obeyed......

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[raymond]

This photo is of My Mum Selina..Dad James and my gran Annie Holroyd (Nee South).

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This is Annie and Henry Holroyd when they married in 1916....Funny Annie was my Mum's mum....and Henry was my Dad's Dad.....

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I have just shown her the pictures and none of the above mean anything.

Her list of Suttons are Wilf, Jack, Elizabeth, Phoebe and Daisy. She is unsure who Violet and William are.

In your last post did you mean that your mother was Annie's daughter and your father was Henry's son?

[raymond]

Sorry got that wrong....What i ment to say is that Henry was my Mum's Dad and Annie was my Dad's Mum.....Think i got it correct this time....

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Sorted! It does sound funny until you get your head around it.

[Ben]

Richard South's marriage to Mary.

[raymond]

Thank's a Mill....

[raymond]

Annie and James....My Dad's Dad.

[Ben]

Son of Richard & Mary South.
Husband of Sarah Ann. South nee McKay, of 46, Garden street, Lower Broughton road.

Richard South
Birth Place: Salford, Lancs
Death Date: 7 Aug 1915
Death Location: Gallipoli
Enlistment Location: Salford
Rank: Private
Regiment: Lancashire Fusiliers
Battalion: 1/8th Battalion
Number: 1288
Type of Casualty: Killed in action
Theatre of War: Balkan Theatre

Thomas South
Baptism Date: 5 Dec 1878
Parish: Salford, Sacred Trinity
Parish as it Appears: Sacred Trinity Church
Father's Name: Thomas South
Mother's Name: Harriet South

[raymond]

Richard South.......

[raymond]

Family....Regarding the footballer Archie Gemmell i remember asking my Dad many years ago if we were related in some way and he told us he was not sure, He said however that we did have relatives somewhere in the west of Scotland in Ayrshire..My Dad would never talk about the war and it was only that years later i understood why..My Dad was about nine years old when his dad was killed in the great War...Dad was correct however as we have found out that his Dad and his family came from the Irvine area..

John gemmell.....Father
Daniel..................Son
James..................Son......My Grandfather...Married Annie South
Henry...................Son

All four moved to the salford area and inlisted into the Lancashire Fusiliers...Daniel,James and Henry were married to Salford/Warrington lassies.
John,Daniel and James all died in the War...Only Henry came home but sadly died in 1945 and was buried in Warrington....