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Post by shred on Dec 16, 2010 23:15:47 GMT
broomy,
I hadn't really thought how ironic that was, good point.
If any of you get the chance please read Private Peaceful by Michael Morpurgo. It was written for the children's age group but is enjoyed by all ages.
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mack
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Post by mack on Dec 17, 2010 1:59:46 GMT
most of these men were guilty of their offences,there were a few who were innocent of the charges against them and some were genuinly suffering from shell shock. in the case of albert ingham+alfred longshaw,they were the machine gunners for the company that was going back into the line,but they had pre planned to do a runner,their mates went into the line,without the support of their machine gun,if the germans had attacked in force,their mates would have been overrrun and killed,but their only concern was to get as far away as possible,they stowed away on a swedish ship,because they knew that when in docked in sweden,they would be interned for the rest of the war,they had no intention of trying to get back to england. i recommend that you read the book,"for the sake of example" these men are buried alongside men who didnt run away,their graves are lovingly cared for in the same way as the rest of them,but to hail them as heroes,is wrong
they have been pardoned and they have their memorial,its a lot more than most of them deserve,but all the same,REST IN PEACE.
mack
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Post by shred on Dec 17, 2010 12:32:23 GMT
Mack,
I don't think anyone is hailing them as heroes. Whatever our views are today we cannot second guess the mind-set of the time. I will not judge any of the SAD cases or the people involved in passing death sentences upon them.
Garry
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Post by ELAINE on Dec 17, 2010 16:24:10 GMT
broomy, I hadn't really thought how ironic that was, good point. If any of you get the chance please read Private Peaceful by Michael Morpurgo. It was written for the children's age group but is enjoyed by all ages. It sounds a very good book Garry.. I will order it from Swinton Library
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Post by katie on Dec 18, 2010 18:57:47 GMT
Good point there Mack...it gives a idea of what went on... this war was a war of horrors in more ways than one...
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Post by Philip on Oct 3, 2011 12:17:47 GMT
most of these men were guilty of their offences,there were a few who were innocent of the charges against them and some were genuinly suffering from shell shock. in the case of albert ingham+alfred longshaw,they were the machine gunners for the company that was going back into the line,but they had pre planned to do a runner,their mates went into the line,without the support of their machine gun,if the germans had attacked in force,their mates would have been overrrun and killed,but their only concern was to get as far away as possible,they stowed away on a swedish ship,because they knew that when in docked in sweden,they would be interned for the rest of the war,they had no intention of trying to get back to england. i recommend that you read the book,"for the sake of example" these men are buried alongside men who didnt run away,their graves are lovingly cared for in the same way as the rest of them,but to hail them as heroes,is wrong they have been pardoned and they have their memorial,its a lot more than most of them deserve,but all the same,REST IN PEACE. mack
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ned
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Post by ned on Oct 11, 2011 10:38:06 GMT
SAD, Sorry And Ashamed. That is how I feel in respect of how all these men were treated. May GOD bless them as much as my lost ones!.
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Post by shred on Nov 5, 2011 16:24:35 GMT
Two more from the Salford area.
Private 41643 William J Earl of the 1/7th Lancashire Fusiliers was shot at dawn on the 27th of May 1918. William was the son of George and Lillian Earl, of 14, Earl St., Lower Broughton, Manchester. During his court martial he simple said that he was fed up with the war. His CWGC headstone is inscribed "Those miss him most Who loved him best".
Private 204455 William Smith, 3rd/5th Lancashire Fusiliers was executed for desertion on the 14th of November 1917 aged 20. The son of Robert and Ada Smith of 16 Lord Street, Pendleton.
RIP
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Post by shred on Nov 5, 2011 16:33:41 GMT
William Smith's medal card states that he had been shot for desertion. The fact that he had qualified for the 1915 star indicates that he had been serving abroad for at least 2 years. How much of that time was spent at the front would be difficult to say. Attachments:
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Post by shred on Jul 13, 2013 18:50:22 GMT
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Post by shred on Nov 11, 2013 20:53:08 GMT
Albert Ingham's will signed on the 30th November 1916. WillIn the event of my death, I give the whole of my property and effects to my mother Mrs G E Ingham, Atherton Cottage, Littleton Road, Lower Kersal, Manchester. Albert Ingham Private No 10495 18th Manchester Regiment November 30th 1916
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Post by shred on Dec 12, 2013 18:53:22 GMT
We have recently been able to obtain images from the Field Court Martial records of Albert Ingham. The first page shows the pardon that was issued in 2006. I will try and post the rest of the images later.
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Ben
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Post by Ben on Dec 12, 2013 19:02:02 GMT
Nice to see he was finally pardoned but heart breaking to see he was one of the poor souls who suffered from either shell shock or were just boy ( children) trying to do a man's job. I would like to think i would be able to carry out what was asked of me in those times & conditions but doubt i would be able if been honest? His family can be proud of him.
Ben
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Post by shred on Dec 12, 2013 21:23:31 GMT
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Post by shred on Dec 12, 2013 21:28:43 GMT
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