Charles Nicholls

[annibee]

Hi everyone I'm a new member and my name is annibee and I am a Salford girl but left the area when my dad purchased a pub in Ashton-U-Lyne, we used to live in the Wellington Inn on Whit Lane, any one remember it? My Uncle William lived at 249 Whit Lane, married to Elizabeth Ann and I know he survived the ww1 and was a Sapper but that's all I do know. My granny Ann Ellen Moores married Charles Nicholls from Pendleton born 1891/2. He joined the Lancashire Fusiliers and was killed on The Somme in 1916. I'm not sure either of them joined the salford pals, I think William (Ann Ellens brother) was a miner and Charles worked in a bleach works. I have no idea how they signed up and where, would it be Salford Town Hall, the Lads Club and would that mean they trained at Peel Park? Would appreciate any help and know if anyone knew the families. I think Charles' father was a Cornelius George and mum Emily. My Granny married again after Charles died at the Somme to a George Gould whom I know very little about, I know he had a stiff leg which I have always presumed he got in ww1. I know there is a lot there but this is my first try and forum so not sure what to ask. I have not relatives to ask for information and so everything I have done has been through pure good detective work and I love doing this it makes me feel connected. Any help would be much appreciated. I take it this site is just about ww1?

[Ben]

Hello & a warm welcome to a great little forum Annibee.
I'm sure the folfs on here will be able to help you with what ever they can find.

These are just a few bits i managed to spot for you, although you might already have this info?

This is your William Moores -

There is a medal card for William showing he was awarded the Victory, British and 15 star medals. (Can be found on Ancestry).

This is your Charles on the C.W.G.C. site



There is a will for Charles ( They cost £10 for a copy) Click here for Will link

Now at the moment the only George Gould i can spot but will keep looking for you, is a George Stevenson Gould, 340292 Sgt, 27th Chinese Labour Company at 42 East Wynford Street, 1918.

Ben 


NOTE *
This forum deals with any conflict in which any Salford men & women served/died .

[Ben]

There is a Charles Nichols on the Christ church memorial Pendlebury, but not sure if he is your man? Click here for the C.C. memorial page

Ben

[Ben]

Jun 12, 2013 13:34:24 GMT stecheet said:

Fallen men of Pendleton WW1

Charles Nicholls born Manchester resident Pendleton enlisted Salford , Lancashire Fusiliers 2nd Battalion , Died 23/10/16
CWG Guards Cemetery Lesbouefs
1911 born 1895 Manchester , 9 Diamond St Greengate , occupation Telephone youth

Wendy

Note for admin staff, could you check this out please?
Just looking at older post and i think either me or Wendy might have the wrong man?

Ben

[prospectroad]

Note for admin staff, could you check this out please?
Just looking at older post and i think either me or Wendy might have the wrong man?

Ben

Hi Ben, the only difference I can see is the address - Diamond Street, Greengate at the time of the 1911 census and River Street, Pendleton in 1916. It was quite common for people to move around. The corroboration between name, rank, battalion, regiment, date of death and cemetery are enough to give a very high degree of certainty that this is the same man.

Hope this helps.
Pete

[shred]

I think that there has been a mix-up between two local men - easily done.

There are only two men named Charles Nicholls who were killed whilst serving with the Lancashire Fusiliers.


Name: Charles Nicholls
Birth Place: Manchester
Residence: Pendleton, Lancs
Death Date: 23 Oct 1916
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Salford, Lancs
Rank: Private
Regiment: Lancashire Fusiliers
Battalion: 2nd Battalion
Regimental Number: 37643
Type of Casualty: Killed in action

And

Name: Charles Arthur Nicholls
Birth Place: Pendlebury, Manchester
Death Date: 27 Sep 1918
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Manchester
Rank: Private
Regiment: Lancashire Fusiliers
Battalion: 1st 7th Battalion
Regimental Number: 52330
Type of Casualty: Killed in action



Charles Nicholls (37643), son of Cornelius and Emily was born Pendleton and is shown as living at 23 Holland Street, Pendleton, in 1901 census. I cannot find the family in 1911 census.

Charles Arthur Nicholls (52330), son of Joseph an Sarah was born Pendlebury and is shown as living at 565 Bolton Road, Pendlebury in the 1901 census. Again struggling to find this family on the 1911 census.

To make matters even more confused I think that the Charles Nicholls posted on the "Fallen men of Pendleton WW1" thread has the incorrect 1911 census details given as it shows -

Charles Nicholls born Manchester resident Pendleton enlisted Salford , Lancashire Fusiliers 2nd Battalion , Died 23/10/16
CWG Guards Cemetery Lesbouefs

This is the son of Cornelius and Emily

1911 born 1895 Manchester , 9 Diamond St Greengate , occupation Telephone youth

This is the son of Lucy Amelia

[annibee]

Thank you so much as this is very helpful in not only finalizing my Granddad place in my family, I actually had Cornelius but was confused, you have helped to sort it out once and for all. Greengate did not sit with me for what I already know. Charles' son was called Charles he was a green beret in WW2 and when I knew him and his family they lived in Holland street, so maybe they rented/bought the same house not sure yet. However Charles Snr married my granny Ann Ellen Moores. So thank you again so much and I'm so proud of these Salford men of ours. Would they have been part of the Salford Pals?

[Ben]

Cheers for your input & help Pete & Gary.
Happy we all could help with your relative Annibee.

Oct 14, 2016 20:35:09 GMT shred said:

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Charles Nicholls (37643), son of Cornelius and Emily was born Pendleton and is shown has living at 23 Holland Street, Pendleton, in 1901 census. I cannot find the family in 1911 census.

FMP has the family as Nicholls & Ancestry have them as Micholls 1911.

1911 at 23 Holland Street, Pendleton, Salford
Cornelins George Micholls 52 Head - Picture Frame Joiner.
Emily Micholls 52 Wife
Charles Micholls 22 Son - Labourer In Bleach Work
Alice Micholls 18 Daughter - Cotton Drawer-In-Cotton Mill

Ben

[Ben]

Charles and his sister were baptized at St. John the Evangelist (Salford R.C. Cathedral).



Ben

[Ben]

This is Charles Nicholls cousin who also served & died WW1.

1911 at 127 Whit Lane Pendlteton
Thomas William Nicholls 50 Head & brother of Cornelius George Nicholls
Elizabeth Lydia Nicholls 46 Wife
Leonard Harvey Nicholls 23 Son Schoolmaster
Hilda May Nicholls 21 Daughter
Mary Margaret Nicholls 8 Daughter

Link to him on the C.W.G.C.

Click to see a larger version of his war gratuity

Ben

[annibee]

Thank you so much for that and what a surprise it St John the Evangelist Church
I cannot find them yet after the 1911 census.
Thank you again.

[shred]

Oct 14, 2016 21:40:49 GMT annibee said:

Would they have been part of the Salford Pals?

None of the men named in this thread were part of the Salford Pals. Although, Leonard Harvey Nicholls was with one of the Manchester Pals battalions.

You Charles Nicholls was killed whilst serving with the 2nd Lancashire Fusiliers. The following images will give you a good idea of the action in which Charles was involved in on the date he was killed.





From the 2nd Lancashire Fusiliers war diary.

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Leonard Harvey Nicholls is remembered on the Old Salfordians' Memorial and the Salford Corporation Memorial

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Leonard is also remembered on his parents gravestone at Agecroft Cemetery.

[annibee]

I'm staggard by the information thank you so so much, it really helps. I can't remember if I said in my original request but i'm doing this as not just a family tree but our Family History for my children and grandchildren as none of them knew any other family other than my dad when they were little and this helps to bring us all to the knowledge of what our family has done and closer to them so I am so pleased. I now have to try and write up the History, another learning curve. My children and grandchildren are going to be thrilled with all this. Can't thank you enough. Blessings to you all