steveboler
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Post by steveboler on Apr 15, 2012 17:08:21 GMT
The following person is in comune with my tree and a friends, but the info is a little scarse as she cannot find all the paperwork. Sorry its not a Manchester Regiment, but the question is general.
Stephen Lambert b. 1887 Pakenham Suffolk Regiment 6849 1904
Seems he joined up in 1904, but my friend remembers something about going to Australia and joining the Army. Can't find the papers.
He died in the Somme in 1918 and was buried in the British Cemetery. Somehow in 1966 his body was exhumed and buried in the Adelaide Cemetery, Somme.
For curiosity what I'd like to know is why did that happen so late on and who would have authorised it.
Any ideas guys, thanks.
Steve
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Post by shred on Apr 15, 2012 17:37:32 GMT
Hi Steve, Stephen Lambert's file can be viewed here they have been filed under Steph an Lambert. I am just reading through the documents now. Seems that he was one of six Australians to be exhumed and re-buried.
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Post by shred on Apr 15, 2012 18:07:17 GMT
Steve, I think that his body was moved in 1924 when the CWGC were establishing permanent cemeteries. I think that someone must have seen the document below and read the 28.?.66 as the date of exhumation. The document below gives a more realistic date of 17/10/24. This document also gives the correct grave details as per Stephen's CWGC entry: LAMBERT, STEPHEN Rank: Private Service No: 3195 Date of Death: 09/04/1918 Age: 30 Regiment/Service: Australian Infantry, A.I.F. 59th Bn. Grave Reference III. O. 4.Cemetery ADELAIDE CEMETERY, VILLERS-BRETONNEUX Additional Information: Son of Arthur and Elizabeth Jane Lambert, of The Street, Pakenham, Bury St. Edmund's, Suffolk. The cemetery details (taken from the CWGC site) gives information regarding re-burials: ADELAIDE CEMETERY, VILLERS-BRETONNEUX Location Information Villers-Bretonneux is a town 16 Kms east of Amiens and the Cemetery is situated west of the village on the north side of the main road from Amiens to St Quentin.
Historical Information Villers-Bretonneux became famous in 1918, when the German advance on Amiens ended in the capture of the village by their tanks and infantry on 23 April. On the following day, the 4th and 5th Australian Divisions, with units of the 8th and 18th Divisions, recaptured the whole of the village and on 8 August 1918, the 2nd and 5th Australian Divisions advanced from its eastern outskirts in the Battle of Amiens.
Adelaide Cemetery was begun early in June 1918 and used by the 2nd and 3rd Australian Divisions. It continued in use until the Allies began their advance in mid August, by which time it contained 90 graves (the greater part of the present Plot I, Rows A to E).
After the Armistice a large number of graves were brought into the cemetery from small graveyards and isolated positions on the north, west and south of Villers-Bretonneux and they were, without exception, those of men who died in the months from March to September 1918.
They included:-
CACHY BRITISH CEMETERY, on the North-Western outskirts of the village of Cachy, contained the graves of 2 British soldiers who fell in March, 1918, and 10 Canadians who fell in August. CHALK LANE CEMETERY, VILLERS-BRETONNEUX, 100 metres from Adelaide Cemetery, used in April and May, 1918, and contained the graves of 14 soldiers from the United Kingdom and 10 from Australia. EMBANKMENT CEMETERY, VILLERS-BRETONNEUX, which was used by the 4th Australian and 2nd Australian Divisions from the end of April to July, 1918. It contained the graves of 37 Australian soldiers and 1 British airman. It was a little West of Adelaide Cemetery, beside the railway and behind a Dressing Station. WHITE CHATEAU CEMETERY, CACHY, between L'Abbe Wood and the railway, 500 metres West of Adelaide Cemetery. It was used from April to August, 1918, and it contained the graves of 23 soldiers from Australia, 9 from the United Kingdom and 2 from Canada.
Plot I was filled, Plot II was made almost entirely with graves from United Kingdom units, and Plot III almost entirely with Australian.
There are now 955 Commonwealth servicemen of the First World War buried or commemorated in this cemetery. 261 of the burials are unidentified but there are special memorials to four casualties known, or believed to be buried among them.
The cemetery was designed by Sir Edwin Lutyens.
On 2 November 1993, following a request by the government of Australia, an unknown Australian soldier killed in the First World War was exhumed from Plot III, Row M, Grave 13, and is now buried in the Australian War Memorial in Canberra.. If you are sceptical about any of the above information an email to the CWGC would not go amiss. Hope this helps a little.
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steveboler
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Post by steveboler on Apr 15, 2012 19:45:39 GMT
Shred, Thank you very much for the speedy reply. That is great news and it is his him. The parents are correct when the family lived down South. I've got the Northern end and my friend is giving me the Southern end ancestors. Cheers for that. Steve PS.sorry -when you've got time Rainsough.
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Post by shred on Apr 15, 2012 20:17:35 GMT
Steve,
I am glad that this is the correct man.
P.S. Thanks for the nudge.... I had missed your post on the Rainsough thread due to it being posted as a guest. I will try and get there one evening this week (I work Mon to Fri).
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mack
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Post by mack on Apr 16, 2012 1:24:41 GMT
pte lambert and six others from his battalion are buried side by side in adelaide cemetery,they were all disinterred from hamlet british cemetery in 1919,by the imperial war grave commission whos HQ were at delacours chateau,the australians called it red chateau
mack ps.nice work gary
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Post by shred on Apr 16, 2012 16:49:44 GMT
Steve, Mack is bang on with 1919 (cheers Mack). Here is a list of names of the men exhumed: From William Alfred Challis' records: From Dugald John Ferguson's records:
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mack
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Post by mack on Apr 16, 2012 19:20:14 GMT
3195lambert on 9-4-18 III.O.4 2440 allan mcdonald,III.O.3 3346 thomas,clifford chas allison,III.O.7 5165 timothy o'brien,III.O.1
sgt 3424 harry firth[AKA as harry keen],III.O.6 sgt 3490 charles wilson were both killed on 5th april,III.O.5
3204 joseph,william morgan,killed on 16th april,III.O.2
all 59th battalion,disinterred from hamlet british cemetery
mack
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steveboler
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Post by steveboler on Apr 17, 2012 10:19:50 GMT
Wow, thanks very much - you two on an express train, never had so much info so fast. When I send the Northern end of the family down South I'll include these. Got some ideas now where to look for Military Records, so thanks for that. Always grateful, Steve
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