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Post by Hawker Hurricane on Oct 22, 2010 22:52:40 GMT
I have been unable to find very much information about my great-Grandfather, Samuel Arthur Shelmerdine. Born 30th March 1894 at Blossom Street in Ancoats, Manchester, he served in World War I with the Manchester Regiment, and I understand from family members that he was wounded twice in the arm. I have found a medal roll card which I believe is his: Pte. 4976, Manchester Regiment, Samuel A. Shelmerdine. Also listed on the card is service with the Labour Corps, service number 223935. I have not been able to locate and service or pension record information, so possibly these were lost in the burnt records. He survived the war and married my great-grandmother in 1919. He was later a tram conductor, tram driver and bus driver. He received a 5-years safe driving award medal in 1955 from the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents. He passed away 6th February 1960 in Wythenshawe, Manchester. I understand that he informally used his middle name of Arthur. My mother (Halifax1948) and I would love to find out more about him if possible. Remembered with love and gratitude. Attachments:
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Post by bomber on Oct 22, 2010 22:57:45 GMT
I think I know someone who might be able to help you Jim What a distinguished looking Gentleman your G.Grandfather was, bet he turned a few girls heads
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Post by Hawker Hurricane on Oct 22, 2010 23:01:09 GMT
He turned my great-Grandmother's head and that all that matters to me, otherwise Mam and I wouldn't be here!!! Actually, he and his son, Arthur James Shelmerdine (my Grandfather) looked quite alike as young men. As the picture below shows of Grandad at about similar age. Attachments:
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Post by bomber on Oct 22, 2010 23:02:41 GMT
I can see it, and I can also see you in both of them as well
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Post by Hawker Hurricane on Oct 22, 2010 23:08:01 GMT
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Post by shred on Oct 22, 2010 23:58:23 GMT
Jim,
Do you know which battalion Samuel was with. I would think that his service number may give extra info as it is a early service number. Need to research a few men with numbers close to his. I will take a look tomorrow.
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Post by Hawker Hurricane on Oct 23, 2010 0:06:40 GMT
No, not been able to determine a battalion so far. I've tried looking for similar regimental numbers on Ancestry, but it appears to me that the Manchester Regiment's records were particularly decimated in the burnt records. Of all the enquiries I've done at work, I've had the least success with Manchester Regiment soldiers than with other local area regiments, i.e. Loyal North Lancashire Regiment, Lancashire Fusiliers, etc. Yes, there are some missing in all of them, but the Manchester Regiment seems to have a high proportion missing comparatively. Like I said, any information or advice whatsoever will be very gratefully received.
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Post by shred on Oct 23, 2010 12:26:37 GMT
Jim, From here2800s-6100s Issued in August & September 1914 to men joining D, 11th, 12th and 13th Bns.
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Post by shred on Oct 23, 2010 12:30:38 GMT
Does Samuel's Medal Card give a Theatre of War and Date of Entry given?
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Post by shred on Oct 23, 2010 12:39:24 GMT
Battalions of the New Armies 11th (Service) Battalion Formed at Ashton-under-Lyne in August 1914 as part of K1 and attached to 34th Brigade, 11th (Northern) Division. Moved in April 1915 to Witley Camp near Godalming in Surrey. 30 June 1915 : sailed from Liverpool, going via Mudros to Suvla bay, disembarking on 6 August 1915. December 1915 : evacuated from Gallipoli and moved to Egypt via Imbros. July 1916 : moved to France. 12th (Service) Battalion Formed at Ashton-under-Lyne in September 1914 as part of K2 and attached to 52nd Brigade, 17th (Northern) Division. Moved to Wimborne in January 1915 and in May 1915 went on to Hursley Park. 17 July 1915 : landed at Boulogne. 24 September 1917 : absorbed HQ and two squadrons of the dismounted Duke of Lancaster's Yeomanry. 13th (Service) Battalion Formed at Ashton-under-Lyne in September 1914, as part of K3 and attached to as Army Troops to 25th Division. Moved to Seaford. October 1914 : transferred to 66th Brigade in 22nd Division. Moved to billets in Eastbourne in November and returned to Seaford in March 1915. Went on to Aldershot in May. September 1915 : landed in France. October 1915 : moved to Salonika. 22 June 1918 : left the Division and retured to France, arriving at Abancourt on 11 July 1918. 21 July 1918 : attached to 66th (2nd East Lancashire) Division. 30 July 1918 : absorbed the 17th Bn. 13 August 1918 : absorbed into the 1/9th Bn. From here
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Post by Hawker Hurricane on Oct 23, 2010 13:39:05 GMT
Does Samuel's Medal Card give a Theatre of War and Date of Entry given? No theatre or date of entry, and no entry for a 14 or 15 star. Just the Victory and British medal.
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Post by shred on Oct 23, 2010 13:45:55 GMT
Now that makes things more complicated as I would have thought that if he was with the 11th, 12th or 13th he would have qualified?
Will keep looking.
Garry
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Post by shred on Oct 23, 2010 13:48:56 GMT
He may have been issued a number that had already been used. Have you checked whether there are two or more men with the Manchesters with the number 4976?
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Post by shred on Oct 23, 2010 13:51:06 GMT
Medal card of Foster, Joseph Corps: Manchester Regiment Regiment No: 4976 Rank: Private...
Need to check if this man died?
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Post by shred on Oct 23, 2010 13:55:52 GMT
Can't find a death for Joseph Foster 4976. He was later transferred to the Liverpool Regiment. Did Samuel get this number after Joseph?
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