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Post by karenu on Nov 4, 2016 18:16:05 GMT
I am trying to trace a War memorial in Manchester or Salford, that contains the name of my Great Uncle -Mark Baron. He was a Private and he signed up for the 21st Manchester Regiment on 19th April 1915, when he was 19 yrs and 7 months. A grocers assistant, he lived with hi mother in Queens Park, Manchester. His regimental number was 19,885 He died age 21 on 31st August 1916. I have his soldiers 'Small book 'and War medals, but have no idea where he is commemmorated, apart from at Thiepval. Any help anyone could give would be marvellous.
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Post by Ben on Nov 4, 2016 19:31:03 GMT
I am trying to trace a War memorial in Manchester or Salford, that contains the name of my Great Uncle -Mark Baron. He was a Private and he signed up for the 21st Manchester Regiment on 19th April 1915, when he was 19 yrs and 7 months. A grocers assistant, he lived with hi mother in Queens Park, Manchester. His regimental number was 19,885 He died age 21 on 31st August 1916. I have his soldiers 'Small book 'and War medals, but have no idea where he is commemmorated, apart from at Thiepval. Any help anyone could give would be marvellous. Hi & welcome KarenU I had a look at the local church ( Christ church on Rochdale road) war memorial as it was the closest church to Romiley street, Harpuhey, but not listed or on the Harperhey Roll of honour. I looked and i think i spotted Mark's brother William world war one records and it states he was Roman Catholic? If i am correct. It might be worth getting in-touch with Salford Diocese Archives ( They cover all of the Greater Manchester Catholic areas). Lawrencer Gregory was the archivist but has sadly been made redundant from his post and was compiling records of all men/memorials for the area. So it might be worth contacting them direct or visiting the archive which is open to the public Tuesday's afternoons (2pm-on). Diocesan archive address: Fr David Lannon PhD St Augustine’s Grosvenor Square All Saints Manchester M15 6BW Tel: 0161 236 6762 Email: davelannon[at]aol.com I wood try phoning or visiting as email is a bit hit and miss as the person now running the archives is not really good with technology Good luck, Ben
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Post by Ben on Nov 4, 2016 19:35:09 GMT
William Baron Ben
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Post by Ben on Nov 4, 2016 19:41:20 GMT
You could also try The Manchester Regimen forum these forum members on here are also members on the Manc Reg Forum: Mack Shred & Prospectroad. Ben
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Post by karenu on Nov 4, 2016 19:47:29 GMT
Thank you Ben I will look into that. His brother William survived, but not sure too much about him. I did think they could have been RC, but my grandmother ( their sister) married in an Anglican Church.
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Post by Ben on Nov 4, 2016 22:07:53 GMT
A possibility she married out of the faith(R.C. that is)? I checked a couple of memorials in the Ancoats (R.C. All Souls & St.Patricks) area but with no luck. Ben
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Post by shred on Nov 7, 2016 19:36:33 GMT
Karenu, I am sorry to type that I have been unable to find Marks name on any extant memorial in Salford. I have checked the indexes for all the local papers without success and to cap it all Mark was absent when his Platoon posed for this photograph.
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Post by karenu on Nov 7, 2016 22:17:05 GMT
Thank you for all your work. I have no photographs so it would have been great if he'd been in the platoon photograph. I only have his description in his soldier book, so will just have to use my imagination. Presumably though his name should be on some memorial somewhere ?? I'm intending to follow up the RC lead, but if that turns up nothing, then I must admit I will be rather sad 😪
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Post by rexgregorian on Apr 5, 2017 15:37:58 GMT
Hi, first of all, marriage in an anglican church was perfectly usual for Catholics back then, they would often have two weddings, one in the Church of England and one in the Catholic church, as a lot of RC Churches weren't legally allowed to marry people, even by that time.
The family do appear to be Catholics, they were all Confirmed at St Edmund's Church, Miles Platting, where the family seemed to worship. Unfortunately the War Memorial from St Edmund's was scrapped when the church closed in 1994 (before my time).
Lawrence Gregory Salford Diocesan Archivist (defacto, unofficial and accidental)
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Post by rexgregorian on Apr 5, 2017 16:46:51 GMT
I have found the Catholic baptism of their sister Mary Ellen Baron, known as Nellie, on the 25th August 1901 at St Patrick's Church, Livesey Street, I have not been able to track down Marks baptism yet.
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Post by karenu on May 9, 2017 12:52:45 GMT
Thank you for your work, 'Nellie was my grandmother. I did not know of her place of baptism. I have Mark's medals and soldiers book, but sadly no photo. I'm guessing his baptism would possibly be at same Church, as they seemed to live in this area of Manchester.
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Post by prospectroad on May 12, 2017 13:07:52 GMT
You could also try The Manchester Regimen forum these forum members on here are also members on the Manc Reg Forum: Mack Shred & Prospectroad. Ben The chalk mark on the photo of the men outside their billet shows "21M D7", which means 21st Battalion, The Manchester Regiment, Company D, Platoon VII. I note from the City Battalions Roll of Honour that we was in D Company Platoon VIII, meaning he must have changed platoons some time in between the two photos. I'm fairly certain the billet photo was taken whilst the 21st Battalion were at Morecambe. Mark Baron is commemorated on the Thiepval Memorial to the Missing, Somme: BARON, Private, MARK, 19885, 21st Bn., Manchester Regiment. 29 August 1916. Age 21. Son of Joseph and Mary Ellen Baron, of 3, Romiley St., Queen's Park, Manchester. Pier and Face 13 A and 14 C.
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