Elijah Daniels 15680 KORLR

[tryckeri]

Hello I'm researching my family history. I came across your forum with someone questioning the reporting of the death of Elijah Daniels 15680 KORLR. Elijah Daniels was my great uncle. This forum has led me to believe I may have extended family also researching the same man. My hope is that I can identify and correspond/ share information on the Daniels family living in Salford

[shred]

Tryckeri,

Thank you for taking the time to join the forum and post. I hope that you make contact with some Salford Daniels. Good luck!

[tryckeri]

Hello again, please forgive me, I'm a novice using forums. Below is the message I found on a different forum, I think written by shred on 1914-1918.invisionzone.com written in 2010. Could you offer any advice in locating this person?

Hi,

Trying to understand why upon Elijah's death his second-lieutenant of his Battalion writes the folowing:

"After the gallant and dashing charge of the Manchesters on March 2, your husband, Private Daniels, failed to answer the roll call and he was listed as missing, and as he failed day after day to put in an appearance he has now been reported as killed"

Why Manchesters? Is this a reporting error or was the 8th battalion known thus?

Thanks for any help.

Regards,

Garry

[shred]

Hi Garry,

It was I that posted asking the question on the Great War Forum.

I also posted the information on the St Ignatius thread on this forum salfordwarmemorials.proboards.com/post/4509/thread

[tryckeri]

My name is Drew Daniels. I think it was garry who asked the question about Elijah Daniels, as copied in previous post.
Are you the Garry that posted the original message?
Because you were inquiring about Elijah Daniels I thought you might be a relative?

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Drew,

Sorry for misreading your post, trying to multi-task.

Yes I am Garry. I am not related to Elijah, just researching one of our Salford heroes. I asked the question as I was intrigued as to why the Second-Lieutenant of the KORLR would refer to his battalion as the "Manchesters".

[tryckeri]

Thank you for the explanation. Elijah Daniels was my father's uncle. My father was a Normandy Veteran going on to serve for 30 years. After visiting the Menin Gate Memorial with my father I promised him that if I ever had a son I would name him after Elijah Daniels. I lost my father the day after my son Elijah was born. I feel it is vitally important that my son knows about his great great uncle and him coming from a large Salford family I hope to find distant relatives.
"We will remember them"
Thank you for taking the time to reply to me.

Regards

Drew

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Drew,

What a touching narrative. Thank you for sharing.

I am sure your son will be so proud of his name when he is old enough to appreciate his namesake's sacrifice.

Garry

[tryckeri]

Hello again Garry
Thank you for your kind words. I'm looking for any help I can get. I hope you don't think I'm being cheeky but I feel I have to ask. Would you be able to offer any advice on how to go about finding out where Elijah was killed? what area? part of the line? Which battle?
So many questions I know but any help at all would be greatly appreciated. I really don't know where to start.

Kind regards

Drew

[shred]

Drew,

I will see what I can dig up. I will email a few bits and bobs over to you as and when I find them.

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In the meantime if you want to do a little research of your own please have a look at the researching a WW1 soldier page on our web site.

www.salfordwarmemorials.co.uk/researching-a-ww1-soldier.html

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Here are a few details to be getting on with:
Elijah Daniels (b. 4th December 1887) son of Elijah and Ann Jane Daniels

Baptism: 21 Dec 1887 St Clement, Salford, Lancashire, England
Elijah Daniels - [Child] of Elijah Daniels & Ann Jane
Born: 4 Dec 1887
Abode: 8 Chief Street
Occupation: Stamper
Baptised by: R. Masheder
Source: LDS Film 1786422

1891 living at 8 Chief St, Salford, aged 3.

1901 living at 3 Groomes Court, Salford, aged 13

1910 Married Ada Atkinson at St Cyprian Church, Salford
Marriage: 14 May 1910 St Cyprian, Ordsall, Lancashire, England
Elijah Daniels - 22, Packing Case Maker, Bachelor, 15 Markendale St.
Ada Atkinson - 22, Reeler, Spinster, 5 Markendale St.
Groom's Father: Elijah Daniels, Packer
Bride's Father: John Atkinson, (deceased), Velvet Finisher
Witness: Gilbert Howarth; Ellen Goodwin
Married by Banns by: J. M. Fosbrooke Rector
Register: Marriages 1902 - 1915, Page 158, Entry 315
Source: Manchester Central Library

1911 living at 30 Coronation St, Salford


Arrived in France on the 27.9.1915
Killed in action on the 2nd March 1916
Was entitled to the 1915 Star, Victory and British Medals
War gratuity £7 13s and 1d was sent to Ada

Information from Soldiers Died Great War:
Name: Elijah Daniels
Birth Place: Salford, Manchester
Death Date: 2 Mar 1916
Death Place: France and Flanders
Enlistment Place: Salford
Rank: Private
Regiment: King's Own Royal Lancaster Regiment
Battalion: 8th Battalion
Regimental Number: 15680
Type of Casualty: Killed in action

From CWGC:
DANIELS, ELIJAH
Rank:Private
Service No:15680
Date of Death:02/03/1916
Regiment/Service:King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment) 8th Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 12.
Memorial:YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL

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From the longlongtrail.co.uk

8th (Service) Battalion
Formed at Lancaster in October 1914 as part of K3 and came under command of 76th Brigade, 25th Division.
Landed in France 27 September 1915.
15 October 1915 : Brigade moved to 3rd Division.

From the same website link

Lieutenant-General H. Fanshawe, officer commanding V Corps, ordered 17th Division to not only recapture the Bluff but improve the position by capturing the German trench position called The Bean. He placed 76th Brigade of 3rd Division, as well as an additional RFA Brigade and an RE Field Company, under the Division for the operation. 76th and 51st Brigades began an intensive exercise in training to prepare for a frontal assault, planned to take place at dusk on 29 February 1916. All troops were equipped with the new steel helmets. 52nd Brigade held the line and carried out much preparation work, digging new communication and assembly trenches, burying telephone cables, and bringing up stocks of ammunition. This work was not helped by snowfalls, which showed up the new works to enemy observers, whose artillery promptly destroyed them. The severe weather and cold also forced a change of plan, to minimise the time that the assault troops would need to be in the front line before the attack went in. Even the date could be not be agreed: it would have to be “the second morning after the first day fine enough for artillery registration”.

The bombardment eventually opened on 1 March, fired by 17th Divisional artillery plus 35 larger guns and howitzers of Second Army and Canadian Corps heavies. At 2.15am on 2 March, Brigadier-General Ernest Pratt, officer commanding 76th Brigade, advised Divisional HQ that he would not require a planned extra 20 minute intensive bombardment. The leading infantry (right to left, the 2/Suffolk, 8/King’s Own and 1/Gordon Highlanders) began to move at 4.15am and the assault was launched fifteen minutes later. British barrage fire began two minutes after that. The attack achieved complete surprise, although a machine gun on the left caused heavy casualties to the Gordons. A party of 172nd Tunnelling Company RE also suffered from a machine-gun burst when, having destroyed a tunnel in no man’s land that led to the Bluff, every man was shot down. By 5.10am, the infantry had captured all objectives, finding many enemy without equipment. 5 German officers and 248 men were sent back as prisoners. German artillery was curiously slow to react and only opened fire at 9.30am, intensifying at 11am, which caused problems for reinforcement and supply as the infantry consolidated the ground won. Some sporadic attempts to counter attack were made by the enemy, but British bombs were for once in plentiful supply and these attacks were beaten off.

British casualties incurred in recapturing the position amounted to 1,622 officers and men.

If you read through the full page of the last link given above it will help you piece together information on some of Elijah's movements prior to his death.

Also see www.kingsownmuseum.plus.com/ww1-8korlr.htm

CWGC shows that the 8th KORLR lost approx. 100 men on the 2/3/1916, some of the men closely numbered to Elijah (15680) are also from Salford.
WILLIAMS, REUBEN
Rank:Private
Service No:15682
Date of Death:02/03/1916
Age:22
Regiment/Service:King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment) 8th Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 12.
Memorial:YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Additional Information:Son of Thomas and Sarah Williams, of 22, Windsor Avenue, Cross Lane, Salford, Manchester.

FISHER, WILLIAM
Rank:Private
Service No:15675
Date of Death:02/03/191
6Age:18
Regiment/Service:King's Own (Royal Lancaster Regiment) 8th Bn.
Panel Reference: Panel 12.
Memorial:YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL
Additional Information:Son of Mrs. Jane Fisher, of 7, Sackville St., Salford, Manchester.

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Drew,

I have just been reviewing my records and have noticed that Elijah is named on the Regent Square Memorial.





And the St Ignatius Church memorial.



Some years ago I published the following information on the Regent Square website

Elijah enlisted 12/10/1914 and went into training at Bournemouth and Aldershot, embarking for France in September 1915. The last letter written by him to his wife was dated the same day that he died.
The second-lieutenant of Elijah's Battalion writes to Mrs Daniels:
"After the gallant and dashing charge of the Manchesters (sic) on March 2, your husband, Private Daniels, failed to answer the roll call and he was listed as missing, and as he failed day after day to put in an appearance he has now been reported as killed" "I hope you will make the best of it, for your husband died doing his duty as a soldier"

Prior to the war Elijah lived with his wife Ada (Atkinson) at 41 Oxford St, Salford and had worked at Lloyd's Packing Warehouse as a case maker.
In the 1901 census Elijah is living with his parents Elijah and Ann Jane Daniels, he has a brother William and two sisters Annie and Emily.

I am trying to remember where I found the information with regards to his enlistment date? This may have been published in a local newspaper, I will check when I next visit the local library.

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From the Salford Reporter