Joseph Edwin Briscoe

[coe1951]

Trying to find out anything about my Grandfather Joseph Edwin Briscoe died August 1917 when my Mum was just a baby. All information about him was lost during the blitz in WW2. We found his grave through the CWGC and visited last year. He is buried in Villers-Faucon cemetery near Peronne. I have photos but can't find a way of sharing them.

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Hi & welcome Coe1951

I take it this is the chap your talking about? CWGC Link

Awarded to his wife Alice


There is a short army service papers for him if you would like them transcribing?
Joseph Edwin Briscoe
Birth Date: abt 1890
Birth Place: Stowell Memoreal, Lancashire, England
Age: 24
Document Year& Enlistment date: 10th Nov 1914
Regimental Number: 15676
Regiment Name: The Kings Own (R. L.)
Form Title: Short Service Attestation

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Ben

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Marriage: 17 Aug 1910 Christ Church, Salford, Lancashire, England
Joseph Edwin Briscoe - 20, Labourer, Bachelor, 87 Hodge Lane
Alice Oakley - 18, Spinner, Spinster, 23 Hodge Lane
Bride's Father: Ernest Oakley, (deceased), Hosler
Witness: James Curtis; Lydia Agnes Fields
Married by Banns by: Buckley Carr

Ben

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Alice Briscoe nee Oakley went on to marry Peter Chatterton in 1921 Salford.

Now if i have the correct man?

Peter Chatterton first joined the army on 12th Oct 1911 (His service records are on line, they make for an interesting read as he was a good boy back then).

1911 at 11 Chirstopher street, Salford
Peter Chatterton 41
Mary Chatterton 38
Elizabeth Chatterton 18
Peter Chatterton 16
Julia Chatterton 15
Joseph Chatterton 12
Thomas Chatterton 10
Emily Chatterton 8
Lily Chatterton 5
Gorge Chatterton 1

He re-enlisted for ww1 and shown on the 1918 absent voters register



Brothers Thomas & Joseph Chatterton also signed up ww1



Some P.O.W. records are on line for Peter Chatterton link1 & link 2

Ben

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Coe,

I am sorry to say that there is not a lot to add.

Ben is correct - Joseph had attested with the King's Own Royal Lancaster Regiment but was discharged as unfit for service due to defective eyesight. He must have overcome this problem as we know that he served with the Lancashire Fusiliers and was killed in action on the 20/08/1917.

Joseph's medal card shows that he was awarded the Victory and British War medals.

I have checked the Salford Reporter, The Eccles Journal and the MEN for any mention of Joseph's death without success.

[coe1951]

Hi Ben Major General & Shred Administrator. I am so sorry but only seen this tonight because it is my Grandads 99th Anniversary of his death. I feel so sad that he was discharged but went back but I suppose that was an honourable thing for him to do. Thank you for the information about my Grandad Peter, I didn't even know he had served in the war. Can you please tell me how I would have his army service papers transcribed. I really can't thank you enough for your help because we had come to a complete blank on finding anything out. Thank you so much, Marilyn xxx

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Marilyn,

Here is a fuller transcription of Joseph's record. I will look for Peter's and get back to you soon.

15676 Joseph Edwin Briscoe, King's Own Royal Lancaster Regiment (8th service battalion)
26 Buckingham St, Salford
Wife - Alice Briscoe (Oakley)
Married at Christ Church, Salford
Children - Alice and Lily
Born 4/3/1899
Father - Joseph
Mother - Alice
Labourer, 24years and 9 months
Height - 5ft 4in
Chest Measurement - 36 1/2in
Complexion - Fresh
Eyes - Brown
Hair - Light Brown
Birth mark on right arm.
Religion - Cof E
Attested 10th November 1914
Medical Report 11/06/1915
"Soldier states that vision has been defective for last four or five years"
"Has been working in a mill for ten years which may have been cause of disability"
Vision - left eye 6/60, right eye 6/60 (glasses do not ?)
Declared permanently unfit (not due to army service)
Character - good
23/06/15 - Discharged as no longer physically for war service under para 392 XVI

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Marilyn,

The only service record I can see for Peter Chatterton covers his service from 1910 to 1914 (pre-war). He seems to be have been quite a character.

Can you conform that this is the correct man and I will send you some information directly.

10531 Peter Chatterton, The King's Own Royal Lancaster Regiment
Attested the October 1911 aged 18 years and 3 months, casual labourer
Height - 5ft 5in
Chest Measurement - 36in
Tattoo - back left forearm
Complexion - Fresh
Eyes - Grey
Hair - Red
Father - Peter
Mother - Mary Ellen
Brother - Joseph
11 Christopher Street, Salford
Previously served with the 3rd Battalion, Manchester Regiment (service number 1424) Enlisted 25th July 1910
Discharged January 1914

[coe1951]

Thank you so much for all this help, I really do appreciate it. Garry send me an email earlier for Joseph. I know some of it to be wrong but it is him. I didn't know his birthdate until I saw this but he was born in 1890 not 1899 and on his discharge papers it states that he was married in 1915 but he was married in 1910. Maybe this is why we haven't had much luck until now in finding information about him.
This sounds like Peter. I think judging from the information you previously gave me (above) it seems like most of his service record would be from 1914/1918. We knew nothing of his career because he never told us anything so this is all so interesting. Thank you once again for all this help. I wouldn't have known any of this without your help.
Marilyn xx

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Marilyn,

Date of birth must be a slip of the pen and I think that the marriage date may have been the date that the army were provided with proof of marriage (a guess).

[coe1951]

Yes, I'm sure that a lot of dates etc weren't accurate for one reason or another but it's definitely him. I'm so happy. Thank you.
Marilyn xxx