Information on John Buckley and Wallace Buckley WWI

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I figured that I should move my original post in this matter to this thread in order to not tie up the "welcome" thread.

So far you guys have been very helpful and quite fast in responding, It helps when you know where to look and what you're doing.

So here is the relevant information I have so far. I have removed that which is inapplicable so as not to complicate the things:

My original post:
Hello,

I lived in Lower Broughton from around 1948 to 1966.

My Grandfather John Buckley fought in WWI as did his brother.
My grandfather sustained a bayonet wound to his gut and after much hospitalization he survived his wounds and went on to enjoy his life until around age 71. As a child of around 11 I remember seeing the large somewhat indented scar on his abdomen and I remember sitting next to an old chest reading all the medical reports and circumstances in regards his wounds and recovery, but alas as the family has died off all of that information has gone. As a result I am trying to find out more about him, when he signed up, where he was posted, which battle he sustained his wounds and any other relevant information I can find. From his medal 1914-15 Star Ribbon Blue, White and Red, S-838 Private John Buckley Rif: Brig:

My Grandfathers brother also fought in WWI he was killed in action but I don't have any information about him I believe his name was Wally, or Wallace Buckley. From a medal of his that I have 1914-15 Star, ribbon blue, black, white, gold,white, black, blue 13570 private W. Buckley E. Lan. R. which I assume is East Lancashire regiment. I would like to know more about him, when he signed up, where he was posted, and in which battle he was killed and any other relevant information I can find.

Any help appreciated!

Also I have a website which I am accumulating information about Salford, you can visit it here www.mysalford.com
Posted by Ben
Mar 26, 2014 at 12:48pm
Hello & welcome MS.COM

Could this be your Wally?
Wallace Buckley
Birth Place: Salford, Lancs
Death Date: 9 Apr 1916
Death Location: Mesopotamia
Enlistment Location: Manchester
Rank: Private
Regiment: East Lancashire Regiment
Battalion: 6th Battalion
Number: 13570
Type of Casualty: Killed in action

First went overseas 14th June 1915

For some strange reason he is shown on the 1918 absent voters register for Salford north division at: 1 Cannon square. Same service number & regiment. What does this mean?

John & Wallace are both shown on the Broughton Copper Co. Ltd. link



Mar 26, 2014 at 1:37pm
John Buckley Silver war badge deatils.
Depot Rifle Brigade
Private, S/838
Badge number: 508590
First enlisted: 3rd Sept 1914
Discharged: 20th Jan 1919

Ben

Posted by mysalforddotcom
Mar 27, 2014 at 11:16am
I do have my Grandfathers wedding certificate which I obtained when I was last in England several years ago. I am flying back to England next week and hope to do a little more research:

Married 24th. October 1914 at Church of St. Johns the Evangelist witnessed by John Lyons and Sarah Jane Lyons

Marriage of:
John Buckley age 24, Estimated D.O.B 1890 Residence 9 Rice Street Salford, Profession Labourer Copper works (father John Buckley [deceased] occupation Fusian Cutter)
Mary Ellen, Hall age 21 Estimated D.O.B 1893 Residence 43 Corporation Street Salford Profession Fent Straightener at Bleach works (father was John Hall [deceased] occupation Tailor journeyman)

Thank you. Your contributions are very much appreciated!
Posted by mysalforddotcom
Mar 27, 2014 at 11:23am
This one looks promising:

John Buckley Silver war badge details.
Depot Rifle Brigade
Private, S/838
Badge number: 508590
First enlisted: 3rd Sept 1914
Discharged: 20th Jan 1919

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Posted by Ben
Mar 27, 2014 at 11:46am
Silver war badge ( Silver wound badge as it was commonly known ) explanation link

The Badge number: 508590 is just what it say's it is, the badge number nothing more. John's service number was: S/838
Other forum staff/members should be able to give you more details about where he served & when?

By the way "St. Johns the Evangelist" is Salford's cathedral

Ben

Posted by shred
Mar 27, 2014 at 3:21pm
Mysalforddotcom,

Welcome to the Salford War Memorial's forum.

A little additional information:

John was posted to France and disembarked there on the 20/05/15 and was awarded 1914/15 Star, British War, Victory Medal & the Silver War Badge (as posted by Ben).

Wallace was posted to Gallipoli and landed there on the 14/06/15. He was also entitled to the 1914/15 Star, British War & Victory Medal, these would have been sent to a family member after the war.

I will check the local papers for any reports that may have been published when I visit the Local History Library next week.

Garry

BTW I like the website. Keep up the good work.
Posted by mysalforddotcom
Mar 28, 2014 at 3:05pm
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Mar 27, 2014 at 3:21pm shred said:
Mysalforddotcom,

Welcome to the Salford War Memorial's forum.

A little additional information:

John was posted to France and disembarked there on the 20/05/15 and was awarded 1914/15 Star, British War, Victory Medal & the Silver War Badge (as posted by Ben).

Wallace was posted to Gallipoli and landed there on the 14/06/15. He was also entitled to the 1914/15 Star, British War & Victory Medal, these would have been sent to a family member after the war.

I will check the local papers for any reports that may have been published when I visit the Local History Library next week.

Garry

BTW I like the website. Keep up the good work.


Garry thank you for your input.
When you say papers do you mean newspapers? The only medals I have are the two 1914-15 Stars one for each of them, I suspect the others (silvers) are lost, I have three other medals one is a Burma Star of my Fathers who was stationed in India and then Burma, and I have two Silver medals from 1939-45 one is a defence medal and the other has a lion defeating a dragon.

I arrive in England next week I will be there for about two weeks as I have one week in Europe also. But I fully intend getting a least a day where I can do some research. About how far do the census records go back? I am wondering if I can dig up some information on my grandfathers parents and possible marriage information and maybe even birth info.

Thanks I will place a link to this SWARM site onto my Salford site. I have much data and images to upload yet which will most likely take a while but I won't get to it now until after I return from my trip.

Thanks for all the help.

Posted by mysalforddotcom
Mar 28, 2014 at 4:09pm
Ben I did respond but I don't think my reply registered I do thank you for all the information you and others are providing. I have discovered more in the past four days than I have in the past several years. Also it was only about six months ago that i found out that my grandfathers brother was called Wallace.

I notice i am posting these st on the introduce yourself thread should i switch my replies to a different thread?
Posted by Ben
yesterday at 4:30am
No worries & your welcome MS.COM
It takes time to get use to using forums. I still make many mistakes when posting, but luckily the forum staff workout what i mean & correct my posting .
You'll soon get use to everything.

Ben

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Mysalforddotcom,

I haven't forgotten this. All being well I will be at the library this Wednesday evening.

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Tell me is there an online census website a person can go research.

[shred]

Try Ancestry or Find My Past.

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Mar 31, 2014 0:47:34 GMT mysalforddotcom said:

For some strange reason he is shown on the 1918 absent voters register for Salford north division at: 1 Cannon square. Same service number & regiment. What does this mean?

The United Kingdom general election of 1918 was the first to be held after the Representation of the
People Act 1918, which meant it was the first United Kingdom general election in which nearly all men
aged 21 and women aged 30 and over could vote. Polling was held on 14 December 1918, although the
count did not begin until 28 December.
The wide extension of the franchise combined with the large number of voters whose military service
or other contribution to the war effort meant that they were expected to be absent from their normal
residential address at the time of the election required special measures for voter registration. Absent
voter lists were therefore compiled listing all voters affected in this way.
The lists are arranged by electoral division and then by ward and finally alphabetically by street and
house number. Each voter is allocated a number and his name and identifying details are given. These
latter (in the case of servicemen) consist of the person’s name, rank, regiment (or ship/naval
establishment) and service number. A very small number of women’s names appear in the lists.

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Thank you Garry this is much appreciated

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I have checked the Salford Journal from April 1916 upto August 1916 and I'm sorry to say that I could not find any report about Wallace's death. There may be a small report with regards to John's injury but without a date I would have to search 4 years of reports (weeks of work). I will make a mental note to keep an eye out for anything in the future.