Post by Sarah.Isherwood on Nov 8, 2013 11:20:19 GMT
Hi, Im just curious as to how you got this information. My great grandfather is on here Edwin nutter z76 rifle brigade. i was wondering if there is any more information you can provide or help me with. We have his medal here and have been trying to do some research into him and you seem to have the most information Please email xxxx(*&^@hotmail.co.uk if you can help Many Thanks
Arthur Normansell Townshend Turner born Horwich resident Pendleton, Royal Fusiliers 20th Battalion , Died 10/3/16 CWG Bethune Town Cemetery Probate of 167 -169 Broad Pendleton ,who died at 33 Casualty clearing station France to James Arthur Turner confectioner ,effects £168
William Longworth born Salford enlisted Pendleton ,Manchester Regiment 2nd Battalion ,Died 14/8/16 CWG Choques Miltary Cemetery 1911 born 1879 , 10 Cotton St Broughton , occupation Railway goods loader
I am sure that your research skills and knowledge are a lot better than mine, but the Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway records show a W. Longworth working at Salford Goods yard, as joining the Cheshire regiment. I have checked against other railway companies and the only W.Longworth listed is with the L&Y.
CWGC lists 11 persons of this name, but the L&Y memorial shows him as a Pte. which reduces it to 6.
I had assumed that that the one one the L&Y memorial was - LONGWORTH, WILLIAM Private 28166 09/04/1916 Cheshire Regiment
This would tie up with the 1911 census record, but obviously not the person listed above
As neither of the William Longworths CWGC listings have an age or extra information it would be difficult to be 100 percent certain.
SDGW gives the following for Private (28166) William Longworth, Cheshire Regiment: Birth Place: Harpurhey, Lancs Death Date: 9 Apr 1916 Death Location: Mesopotamia Enlistment Location: Manchester Rank: Private Regiment: Cheshire Regiment Battalion: 8th Battalion Number: 28166 Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Asiatic Theatres Comments: 55614, R.G.A
His service record is available on Ancestry it shows his occupation as a carter which matches with the information contained in the document that you have attached. Address is given as Miles Platting, wife is shown as Elizabeth, and children William, James, Thomas and Beartrice. No mention of Salford anywhere in his records. 1911 census confirms that he lived at 15 Walton St, Miles Platting. Occupation lorryman, railway.
I can see why Wendy has matched William Longworth, Manchester Regiment, with the William shown as living at 10 Cotton St, Broughton, there are three seperate family trees on Ancestry that have him as being killed in France on the 14/08/16.
I will take a look at the local papers when I visit Salford Local History Library on Wednesday. Hopefully we can get a definitive identification.
The person above is my man - thanks for the info. What I have seen on a number of occasions is the 1911 census showing a railway occupation but no mention of the name on my Railwaymen Died lists. Some may have left railway employment between 1911 and the outbreak of war, so were not in railway employment and therefore not included on the railway memorial/lists, others may not have been reported to the employer.
I have also found one who was not allowed to enlist but lied about his occupation in order to do so. From your extra info, I can agree there were two W. Longworth's both working in the rail industry in 1911, so hopefully we both have the right men in our lists.
William Henry Lyons born Pendleton enlisted Manchester , LNLR ,Died 21/8/18 CWG Pernes British Cemetery Age 31 husband of Margaret Lyons of 57 Laburnum St Seedley 1911 same address , occupation Maker up of book cloth
Archibald Garner born Pendleton resident Pendleton enlisted Dunoon ,Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders ,Died 13/11/16 CWG Mailly Wood Cemetery Age 27 son of William and Mary Garner of Irlam of the Height Salford, his brother Stanley Robert Also seved 1911 17 Duffield Rd I-O-H ,occupation Clerk
John Mulvehill born Rochdale resident Pendleton enlisted Eccles , Manchester Regiment 1/5th Battalion ,Died 27/3/18 CWG Arras Memorial 1911 born 1897 John Cecil , 27 Indigo St Pendleton , occupation Bleach works labourer
Charles Edward Heyes born Liverpool resident Pendleton enlisted Salford , Lancashire Fusiliers 2nd Battalion ,Died 13/12/16 CWG 3C, 3D Thiepval memorial Age 38 husband of Alice Heyes of 63 Claremont Rd Pendleton 1911 born 1879 ,208 Greengate , occupation Salesman at wholesale drapers
Vernon Ashes born Pendleton resident Broughton ,Royal Welsh Fusiliers 10th Battalion , Died 8/4/17 CWG Arras Memorial Age 28 son of Caroline Ashes of 31 Gardner St Pendleton, husband of Maud Hester Ashes of 21 Bristol St Higher Broughton 1911 Gardner St , occupation Shop assistant