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Post by shred on Sept 19, 2012 19:36:56 GMT
Ebenezer United Methodist Free Church, Liverpool Road, Patricroft. WW1  |
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Post by shred on Sept 19, 2012 19:40:12 GMT
The men:
John Deakin
Bernard Firth
Horace Ireland
Joseph Johnson
Leonard Thomas Jones
Albert Thomas Lowe
Thomas Henry Marsh
James H O'Brien
James Towns
Thomas Wilson
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Post by shred on Sept 22, 2012 11:12:11 GMT
JOHN DEAKIN  Rank: Private Service No: 7466 Date of Death: 01/07/1916 Age: 19 Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment 16th Bn. Panel Reference Pier and Face 13 A and 14 C. Memorial THIEPVAL MEMORIAL Additional Information: Son of Mrs. E. Deakin, of 47, Beech St., Peel Green, Patricroft, Manchester. Birth Place: Patricroft, Manchester Residence: Eccles, Manchester Death Date: 1 Jul 1916 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Manchester Type of Casualty: Killed in action 1911 census - John is shown as a 13 year old school boy living at 47 Beech St, Patricroft. Also present at this address are his parents Arthur and Elizabeth, and siblings Polly, Arthur, Annie, Marion and Marjorie. BERNARD FIRTH  Rank: Private Service No: 21219 Date of Death: 23/07/1916 Regiment/Service: Northumberland Fusiliers 1st Bn. Panel Reference Pier and Face 10 B 11 B and 12 B. Memorial THIEPVAL MEMORIAL Birth Place: Cleckheaton, Yorks Death Date: 23 Jul 1916 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Bolton, Lancs Type of Casualty: Killed in action Bernard was the son of George and Mary Firth The 1911 census shows Bernard, a 29 year old salesman (builders merchant) living at 32 Tindall St, Patricroft, with his wife Hilda, and children Leslie, Marion, Nora and Edith. Bernard married Hilda Law Owen st the Ebenezer Church on the 10th of May 1902. HORACE IRELAND Rank: Gunner Service No: 124348 Date of Death: 17/09/1918 Age: 20 Regiment/Service: Royal Garrison Artillery 163rd Siege Bty. Awards: M M Grave Reference II. B. 8. Cemetery DOMINION CEMETERY, HENDECOURT-LES-CAGNICOURT Additional Information: Son of James William and Clara Ireland, of Broughton House, 18, Clarendon Rd., Eccles, Manchester. Birth Place: Peel Green, Lancs Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Eccles Type of Casualty: Killed in action Comments: M.M. Horace attested on the 20th of July 1916 at the age of 18, at this time he was living at 48 Albert St, Eccles, and was working as an assistant newsagent. He had one sister Elsie. Horace's father, James, wrote to the Officer in Command of the RGA asking that Horace's Military Medal be presented at a "Parade of the Troops", he signed a receipt on the 8th of April 1919 declaring that he was now in receipt of the medal. Horace is also remembered on the Eccles Parish Church (St Mary's) memorial and the Eccles Congregational Church memorial. |
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Post by prospectroad on Sept 22, 2012 11:23:19 GMT
Although Thomas Wilson is a common name I'm guessing that he is the same man who is on the Irlam and Cadishead War Memorial (even though he was educated at a Catholic school). Extract from A District at War:
Thomas Wilson – Killed in action 16th May 1917
Corporal Thomas Wilson (Service no. 301101) served with the 1st/8th (Argyllshire) Battalion, The Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 152nd Infantry Brigade, 51st (Highland) Division.
He was educated at St Mary’s RC School, Eccles, and lived for several years at 17 Davies Street, Eccles. By 1914 he was living at 27 Milton Avenue, Irlam. He was well known in the Weaste and Flixton areas as a cornet player in a brass band and was later a member of the Irlam band. He worked at Mosedale’s brickyard, Rixton.
Thomas enlisted at the 8th Argyll’s recruiting office, in Peter Street, Manchester in February 1915 (Service no. 3113, later renumbered 301101), and went to France with the battalion on 1st May 1915.
He was killed in action on Wednesday, 16th May 1917, aged 27, near the village of Fampoux. On that date the battalion, following a heavy bombardment, were attacked by German forces and suffered heavy casualties. His parents originally received notice that he was officially listed as missing since 16th May 1917 but his death was later confirmed. He is commemorated on the Arras Memorial, Pas-de-Calais, France. Medal Entitlement: 15 Star Trio. In 1917 his brother, Ambrose, was in training with the Royal Flying Corps.
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Post by shred on Sept 22, 2012 15:20:19 GMT
JOSEPH JOHNSON Rank: Private Service No: 47849 Date of Death: 09/04/1917 Regiment/Service: Northumberland Fusiliers 24th (Tyneside Irish) Bn. Grave Reference Il. A. 18. Cemetery ROCLINCOURT MILITARY CEMETERY Birth Place: Patricroft, Lancs Death Date: 9 Apr 1917 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Eccles, Lancs Type of Casualty: Killed in action Theatre of War: Western European Theatre Comments: Formerly 183876, R.E. LEONARD THOMAS JONES Rank: Private Service No: 39471 Date of Death: 28/04/1917 Age: 26 Regiment/Service: Royal Scots 15th Bn. Grave Reference D. 27. Cemetery ROEUX BRITISH CEMETERY Additional Information: Son of Thomas H. and Emma Jones, of 25, Oxford St., Eccles, Manchester. Birth Place: Eccles, Lancs Residence: Eccles Death Date: 28 Apr 1917 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Manchester, Lancs Type of Casualty: Killed in action When the 1911 census was taken Leonard was a 19 year old clerk living at 2a Willan Rd, Eccles, also present at the same address were his parents Thomas and Emma, and brother Henry. ALBERT THOMAS LOWE Rank: Private Service No: 40748 Date of Death: 27/10/1918 Age: 28 Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment 22nd Bn. Grave Reference Plot 3. Row C. Grave 10. Cemetery TEZZE BRITISH CEMETERY Birth Place: Manchester Death Date: 27 Oct 1918 Death Location: Italy Enlistment Location: Manchester Type of Casualty: Killed in action Albert was a 20 year old pawnbroker's assistant in 1911. He was living with his parents James and Martha at 95 Northumberland Rd, Old Trafford.He is the only Albert Thomas Lowe who can be found on the CWGC and I can only presume that he came to live in the Eccles district after 1911.  |
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Post by shred on Sept 22, 2012 16:29:40 GMT
THOMAS HENRY MARSH  Rank: Private Service No: 8744 Date of Death: 03/05/1916 Age: 25 Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment 17th Bn. Grave Reference F. 22. Cemetery SUZANNE COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION Additional Information: Husband of Agnes B. Marsh, of 47A, New Lane, Patricroft, Manchester. Birth Place: Patricroft, Lancs Residence: Winton, Manchester Death Date: 3 May 1916 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Manchester Type of Casualty: Killed in action JAMES HADCOCK O'BRIEN Rank: Private Service No: 40315 Date of Death: 13/11/1916 Age: 25 Regiment/Service: West Yorkshire Regiment (Prince of Wales's Own) 19th Bn. Grave Reference II. E. 1. Cemetery SAILLY-AU-BOIS MILITARY CEMETERY Residence: Huddersfield, Yorks Death Date: 13 Nov 1916 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: London Type of Casualty: Killed in action James was born in Patricroft about 1891. The 1911 census shows him as a 20 year art student living at 84 Birkby Hall Rd, Huddersfield, with his parents James and Caroline, and siblings Leslie, Arthur, Ida and Elsie. He was a well-known painter, sculptor and art restorer (Vatican contract holder). I believe that the A.R.C.A. inscribed after his name is a degree in art, the Associate of the Royal Cambrian Academy. The Royal College of Art have informed us that A.R.C.A. refers to his gaining his diploma, and becoming an Associate of the Royal College of Art. JAMES TOWN  Rank: Private Service No: 11270 Date of Death: 01/07/1916 Age: 19 Regiment/Service: Lancashire Fusiliers 16th Bn. Panel Reference Pier and Face 3 C and 3 D. Memorial THIEPVAL MEMORIAL Additional Information: Son of John Town, of 12, Fir St., Station Rd., Patricroft, Manchester. Birth Place: Patricroft, Lancs Residence: Patricroft Death Date: 2 Jul 1916 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Salford, Lancs Type of Casualty: Killed in action The 1911 census shows James as a 14 year old errand boy living at 36 Armitage St, Patricroft, with his father John and sister Amy. |
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Post by shred on Sept 22, 2012 16:31:33 GMT
Although Thomas Wilson is a common name I'm guessing that he is the same man who is on the Irlam and Cadishead War Memorial (even though he was educated at a Catholic school). Extract from A District at War: Thomas Wilson – Killed in action 16th May 1917Corporal Thomas Wilson (Service no. 301101) served with the 1st/8th (Argyllshire) Battalion, The Argyll & Sutherland Highlanders, 152nd Infantry Brigade, 51st (Highland) Division. He was educated at St Mary’s RC School, Eccles, and lived for several years at 17 Davies Street, Eccles. By 1914 he was living at 27 Milton Avenue, Irlam. He was well known in the Weaste and Flixton areas as a cornet player in a brass band and was later a member of the Irlam band. He worked at Mosedale’s brickyard, Rixton. Thomas enlisted at the 8th Argyll’s recruiting office, in Peter Street, Manchester in February 1915 (Service no. 3113, later renumbered 301101), and went to France with the battalion on 1st May 1915. He was killed in action on Wednesday, 16th May 1917, aged 27, near the village of Fampoux. On that date the battalion, following a heavy bombardment, were attacked by German forces and suffered heavy casualties. His parents originally received notice that he was officially listed as missing since 16th May 1917 but his death was later confirmed. He is commemorated on the Arras Memorial, Pas-de-Calais, France. Medal Entitlement: 15 Star Trio. In 1917 his brother, Ambrose, was in training with the Royal Flying Corps. It could be this Thomas Wilson, Pete. THOMAS WILSON  Rank: Private Service No: 11269 Date of Death: 27/04/1916 Age: 19 Regiment/Service: Lancashire Fusiliers 16th Bn. Grave Reference B. 2. Cemetery BOUZINCOURT COMMUNAL CEMETERY Additional Information: Son of Arthur and Martha Wilson, of 5, Station Rd., Patricroft, Manchester. Birth Place: Salford, Lancs Residence: Patricroft, Lancs Death Date: 27 Apr 1916 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Salford Type of Casualty: Died of wounds In 1911 Thomas was a 14 year old milk boy living at 5 Station Rd, Patricroft, with his parents Arthur and Martha, and siblings John, Arthur and Alice. |
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Post by prospectroad on Sept 23, 2012 8:14:51 GMT
Garry, your Thomas Wilson is the most likely candidate. Cheers Pete  |
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Post by mack on Sept 24, 2012 13:21:13 GMT
hiya gary.
8744 thomas,henry marsh married agnes,bolderstone plant of 49A new lane,his cousin and best friend was cpl 8626 william,leslie hadcock,they both served in XII platoon,C company,his grandmother was hannah o'brien,i think james,hadcock o'brien was also a relative.
thomas was a boot packer at the CWS balloon st,manchester,his cousin W.L hadcock worked at the same place as a drapery salesman,pte hadcock survived the war,he was wounded in the shoulder at trones wood on 9th july 1916 and lived to a ripe old age,lived at 19 matlock st,peel green
its likely thomas was killed by shell fire in suzanne,most of those in the same cemetery were killed by the germans lobbing shells into the village
mack
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Post by shred on Sept 24, 2012 17:34:29 GMT
Mack,
We received the image of this memorial from David who has informed me that he is related to Thomas Marsh. I will pass your information on to him.
I have just checked some census records and it does seem, at a glance, that James Hadcock O'Brien's gran was also named Hannah, so I would say that your suggestion that Thomas Henry Marsh and James Hadcock O'Brien were related is a good shout.
Thank you.
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Post by bannerman on Jun 11, 2013 12:09:39 GMT
hiya gary. 8744 thomas,henry marsh married agnes,bolderstone plant of 49A new lane,his cousin and best friend was cpl 8626 william,leslie hadcock,they both served in XII platoon,C company,his grandmother was hannah o'brien,i think james,hadcock o'brien was also a relative. thomas was a boot packer at the CWS balloon st,manchester,his cousin W.L hadcock worked at the same place as a drapery salesman,pte hadcock survived the war,he was wounded in the shoulder at trones wood on 9th july 1916 and lived to a ripe old age,lived at 19 matlock st,peel green its likely thomas was killed by shell fire in suzanne,most of those in the same cemetery were killed by the germans lobbing shells into the village mack Hi Gary and Mack I've just found this site and particularly this post whilst browsing the web to see if there were any images of William Leslie Hadcock who was in fact my maternal grandfather. I have a photo of 'C' company of 17th Btn Manchester regiment but I've not been able to recognise him from that as he was only 21 at the time. The picture of Tom on this site is in fact the first one I have ever seen of him so that was really interesting. Tom Marsh's wife Agnes was always known by us as Auntie Agnes and she subsequently remarried 'Uncle' Charlie and together they ran a sweet shop in Bridgewater Street, Patricroft. I don't know what their surname was and they both died when I was quite young so my memory of them is very limited. My grandfather (who was known as Leslie) was an extraordinary man of whom I have the fondest memories, he died in Bridgewater Hospital in 1969 at the age of 75 after a long battle with lung cancer. We were always told by my grandfather that Tom had been killed by 'friendly fire' when returning from a night patrol into no-mans land. Whilst there is no independent confirmation of this as the war diary entry for that day just lists 1 OR (other rank) killed I would have no reason to doubt my grandfathers word. I do not know where it is now but the piece of shrapnel which was extracted from his shoulder was kept in a Swan Vestas matchbox wrapped in cotton wool and as children my siblings and I would often ask to see it and be told stories of his war exploits but like so many of his generation other than to recount the horror of trench warfare, he was reluctant to do so. After the war he returned to his job at Balloon Street and remained there until his retirement at the age of 65. He also served as a Lieutenant in the Home Guard in the Second World War guarding an AA battery on Barton Moss and I have a picture of him with the platoon. Mack, I would be interested to know how you know so much about them, I can only assume that we are related and would love to hear from you Bannerman |
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Post by shred on Jun 11, 2013 21:38:33 GMT
Bannerman,
Thank you for joining the forum and your informative post. Hopefully Mack will see your post and add a reply.
Edit: This is most likely the second marriage of Auntie Agnes.
Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1925
MARSH Agnes B
MEEK Charles F
Barton-on-Irwell Register Office or Registrar Attended
Salford BAR/68/157
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Post by mack on Jun 15, 2013 12:29:25 GMT
hiya bannerman.
i,me not related to any of these soldiers,i research men from the manchester regt,corporal william,leslie hadcock was a sniper,he was admitted to the 3rd canadian gen hospital at bolougne on the same day he was wounded[10th july 1916]and the following day,he was evacuated to england on the hospital ship cambrian,where he was taken to the david lewis northern hospital,great howard st,liverpool,he then had a spell in the towers,mill lane,rainhill.
he married nellie alker of 176 cromwell rd,patricroft on 5th aug 1915,their son thomas,stanley was born on 12th july 1917
his parents william+lydia,mary hadcock lived at 256 liverpool rd,patricroft
enlisted 3-9-1914 aged 21
mack
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Post by shred on Aug 11, 2013 18:55:31 GMT
JOHN DEAKIN Rank: Private Service No: 7466 Date of Death: 01/07/1916 Age: 19 Regiment/Service: Manchester Regiment 16th Bn. Panel Reference Pier and Face 13 A and 14 C. Memorial THIEPVAL MEMORIAL Additional Information: Son of Mrs. E. Deakin, of 47, Beech St., Peel Green, Patricroft, Manchester. Birth Place: Patricroft, Manchester Residence: Eccles, Manchester Death Date: 1 Jul 1916 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Manchester Type of Casualty: Killed in action 1911 census - John is shown as a 13 year old school boy living at 47 Beech St, Patricroft. Also present at this address are his parents Arthur and Elizabeth, and siblings Polly, Arthur, Annie, Marion and Marjorie.  |
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Post by shred on Jan 23, 2014 20:05:33 GMT
BERNARD FIRTH Rank: Private Service No: 21219 Date of Death: 23/07/1916 Regiment/Service: Northumberland Fusiliers 1st Bn. Panel Reference Pier and Face 10 B 11 B and 12 B. Memorial THIEPVAL MEMORIAL Birth Place: Cleckheaton, Yorks Death Date: 23 Jul 1916 Death Location: France & Flanders Enlistment Location: Bolton, Lancs Type of Casualty: Killed in action Bernard was the son of George and Mary Firth The 1911 census shows Bernard, a 29 year old salesman (builders merchant) living at 32 Tindall St, Patricroft, with his wife Hilda, and children Leslie, Marion, Nora and Edith. Bernard married Hilda Law Owen st the Ebenezer Church on the 10th of May 1902.   |
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