Hi all - new here and just wondered if anyone could help me with some more info about the Salford HG units?
My grandad was one Richard Charles Donaldson and he was a Lancashire fusilier territorial in the twenties, after serving all the way through WW1 in the Manchester Regt. I have no definite proof he was in the Salford home guard but it is very likely given his background and character.
This said, can anyone out there point me in the right direction to find out more?
Home Guard units in the Greater Manchester Area in the Second World War
The Home Guard/ Local Defence Volunteers or LDV, or in slang, Look-Duck-Vanish, hence the name change was a defence organisation of the British Army during the Second World War.
Operational from 1940 until 1944, the Home Guard—comprising 1.5 million local volunteers otherwise ineligible for military service, usually owing to age, hence the nickname 'Dad's Army' — acted as a secondary defence force, in case of invasion by the forces of Nazi Germany and their allies.
The Home Guard guarded the coastal areas of Britain and other important places such as airfields, factories and explosives stores.
Lancashire raised 71 battlions of the Home Guard as well as numerous Heavy anti-aircraft units and Light anti-aircraft units, also Home Guard Transport Columns, And Women's Home Guard units, Railway battalions, Post Office battalions.
Units of the Home Guard were affiliated to and administrated by their local Territorial Army Association,and it was stipulated that each unit should wear the cap badge of the county in which it was raised.
However there were some exceptions, the 24th Lancashire ( Wigan County) battlion had close links with the Loyal Regiment rather then the Manchester Regiment.
The following Lancashire Home Guard units were cap badge as follows:
1,4 & 7th Bn, Kings Own Royal Regiment. 5,6,8,12-15 & 24th Bn, Loyal Regiment ( North Lancashire). 9-11,28-32 & 62nd Bn, East Lancashire Regiment. 21,22,27,41-43,55,60 & 64th Bn, Lancashire Fusiliers. 23,25,26,44-51,56,61 & 63rd Bn, Manchester Regiment. 57-59,92nd Bn (Badge according to Post Office location). 71-74,77,82-91st Bn, Kings Regiment ( Liverpool). 75,76,78-81 & 93rd Bn, South Lancashire Regiment.
All battalions were prefixed with Lancashire, "eg" 46th Lancashire ( South Manchester & Withington) Battalion (Bn).
14th Bn Bolton County & Horwick. 15th Bn Bolton. 21st Bn Bury. 22nd Bn Rochdale. 23rd Bn Oldham. 24th Bn Wigan County & Hindley. 25th Bn Leigh. 26th Bn Wigan. 27th Bn Rochdale. 41st Bn Prestwich. 42nd Bn Eccles. 43rd Bn Salford. 44th Bn Stretford. 45th Bn Trafford Park. 46th Bn South Manchester & Withington. 47th Bn Wythenshawe. 48th Bn Manchester & Ardwick. 49th Bn Manchester. 50th Bn Manchester & Ancoats. 51st Bn Ashton under Lyne. 55th Bn Manchester Collieries & Walkden. 56th Bn Manchester. 57th Bn 21st General Post Office (GPO) Manchester. 58th Bn 22nd (GPO) Manchester. 59th Bn 23rd (GPO) Manchester. 60th Bn Heywood & Radcliffe. 61st Bn Manchester University. 63rd Bn Manchester & Moston. 64th Bn Middleton.
Here are the rest of the Lancashire Home Guard units to help with your research on the Lancashire Home Guard units in the Second World War.
23rd Anti-Aircraft Regiment Salford Lancashire. 122nd (101st East Lancashire Home Guard) AA Rocket Battery(Bty), Salford. 203rd (102nd East Lancashire Home Guard) AA Rocket Bty,Stratford. 204th (103rd East Lancashire Home Guard) AA Rocket Bty, Manchester. 205th (104th East Lancashire Home Guard) AA Rocket Bty, Manchester. 216th (105th East Lancashire Home Guard) AA Rocket Bty,Rusholme, Manchester. 71st Lancashire Home Guard HAA Bty Eccles.
24th Anti-Aircraft Regiment Home Guard Liverpool, Lancashire. 172nd (101st West Lancashire Home Guard) AA Rocket Bty, Bootle. 201st (102nd West Lancashire Home Guard) AA Rocket Bty, Liverpool. 202nd (103rd West Lancashire Home Guard) AA Rocket Bty,Liverpool. 226th (104th West Lancashire Home Guard) AA Rocket Bty,Preston. 108th (105th West Lancashire Home Guard) AA Rocket Bty, Barrow in Furness. 171st West Lancashire Home Guard HAA Bty, Liverpool.
Home Guard Light Anti-Aircraft Troops.
Serial No 400. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/ battery (Bty), 45th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point, Ford Motor Company Ltd, Trafford Park, Manchester.
Serial No 401. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 49th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point, A.V. Roe & Co Ltd, Newton Heath, Manchester.
Serial No 402. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 46th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point, Reynold & Coventry Chain Co Ltd, Manchester.
Serial No 403. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 62nd Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point, Magnesium Elektron Ltd, Padiham.
Serial No 407. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 11th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point, Bristol Aeroplane Co.Ltd, Accrington.
Serial No 409. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 64th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point, A.V. Cossor Ltd, Chadderton.
Serial No 410. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 63rd Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point, A.V. Roe & Co.Ltd Chadderton.
Serial No 411. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 42nd Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point, Magnesium Elektron Ltd, Clifton Junction, Swinton.
Serial No 412. LAA/Troop B. Parent Battalion/Bty 11th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point. Imperial Chemical Industries Ltd, Clitheroe.
Serial No 413. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 23nd Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point, H.M. Hobson (A&M) Components Ltd, Oldham.
Serial No 415. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 14th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable poin, Electricity Power Station, Kearsley.
Serial No 423. LAA/Troop B. Parent Battalion/Bty 78th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point, Rubery Owen Messier Ltd, Warrington.
Serial No 428. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 78th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point, British Aluminium Co Ltd, Warrington.
Serial No 431. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 83rd Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point D.Napier & Son Ltd, West Derby, Liverpool.
Serial No 432. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 4th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point Imperial Chemical Industries Ltd, Heysham.
Serial No 433. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 81st Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point British Insulated Cables Ltd, Prescot.
Serial No 435. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 8th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point English Electric Co Ltd, Preston.
Serial No 437. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 1st Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point Vickers Armstrongs Ltd, Barrow-in-Furness.
Serial No 438. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 7th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point Vickers Armstrongs Ltd, Blackpool.
Serial No 440. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 9th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point English Electric Co Ltd, Samlesbury.
Serial No 441. LAA/Troop A & B. Parent Battalion/Bty 12th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point ROF,Chorley
Serial No 442. LAA/Troop D. Parent Battalion/Bty 12th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point Leyland Motors Ltd,Chorley.
Serial No 443. LAA/Troop C. Parent Battalion/Bty 12th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point Leyland Motors Ltd, Leyland.
Serial No 444. LAA/Troop B. Parent Battalion/Bty 7th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point Brooklands Aviation Ltd, Blackpool.
Serial No 445. LAA/Troop A. Parent Battalion/Bty 15th Lancashire. Factory/Vulnerable point de Havilland Aircraft Co.Ltd, Lostock.
Is this your Richard with his brother Nicholas on the 1918 absent voters register ( Salford south ) @ Boond street, Salford
Births Mar 1/4 1889 Donaldson Nicholas Francis Registered Salford Vol-. Page-20
Births Mar 1/4 1898 Donaldson Richard Charles Registered Prestwich Vol- Page-400
What i think is the same family 1911 @11 Wilfred St Salford John William Donaldson 45 Margret Donaldson 43 John Wm Donaldson 24 Archelas Donaldson 22 ( transcribed wrongly and should be NICHOLAS) Ethel Donaldson 20 May Donaldson 18 Hilda Donaldson 16 Richard Donaldson 13 Jenet Donaldson 11 Albert Donaldson
Thanks Ben as I've never seen that absent voters list before - yes that is him in 1918 when he was away fighting for the Manchester regt. in France, though I see it doesn't list that for some reason.
Re the unit listing the only thing is I can only ever find the name of the 43rd in HG lists but nothing more. I know there are other threads on here with the same problem too.
I thought perhaps it might be worth trying the medal record route for the defence medal (at least it would tell me he served) and have just been sent the form from the mod. I'll try that and let you know if I have any luck.
He had a couple in the duration, but demobbed with 31901 for the 2nd East Lancs, having been in 3rd and 2/9 Manchester Regt. There was this letter with his pension records, which also extend right up to the end of his territorial service in 1928 - it proved a really nice find for my mum, who saw her Dad's handwriting for the first time since he died in 1955:
richard originally enlisted in the RAMC as pte 598[renumbered 1917 as 357351] r.c donaldson,he was stationed at the 2nd western gen hospital manchester until his transfer to the manchester regt on 26-7-1917 as pte 52247,he went to france on 16-1-1918 and posted to the 9th manchesters,he was transferred to the 2nd east lancs on 18-6-18,after his demob on 20th august 1919 he re-enlisted in the 8th lancs fusiliers married miss charlotte tansey in 1943
children thomas 1944 william 1946 marie 1949 margaret 1953
this could be his oldest brother john,william donaldson 7th cheshire regt enlisted october 1915 born about 1888/89 gassed at ypres in 1918 invalided home and employed on guarding german POWS demobbed 1919 died from the effects of gas on 7th january 1921 aged 33 resided 3 collier st,greengate salford
Wow Mack that's incredible. Thanks so much for going to the trouble. You're right about his marriage as that was my Grandmother whom I knew obviously as Grandma Donaldson.
I didn't know about his brother so I will work down that line too.
In terms of his HG connection, it only occurred to me yesterday that he would have probably been in a Manchester unit given his proximity (Greengate being on the outskirts of Manchester) so I think I might have to pay the £30 fee and apply to the army records for them to do a search for me.
Sorry Mack just noticed one more thing - you mention a son called William which is a complete shock if it's true as we have no record of him being born, just the other three you mention. If this is the case he would be my uncle.
Where did you get this info from and are you sure this is correct?