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Post by dasser on May 31, 2012 6:34:54 GMT
Hi all - new here and just wondered if anyone could help me with some more info about the Salford HG units?
My grandad was one Richard Charles Donaldson and he was a Lancashire fusilier territorial in the twenties, after serving all the way through WW1 in the Manchester Regt. I have no definite proof he was in the Salford home guard but it is very likely given his background and character.
This said, can anyone out there point me in the right direction to find out more?
Thanks in advance,
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 7:51:33 GMT
Hi & welcome, without meaning to drag you away from this forum. I know the Manchester regiment forum are compiling information on the home guard but not sure if they are or intend to cover Salford?
Ben
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Post by dasser on May 31, 2012 10:46:29 GMT
Much appreciated Ben - will head over and have look around.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 11:17:38 GMT
Looks as if they are covering Salford ;D
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 12:05:38 GMT
Is this your Richard with his brother Nicholas on the 1918 absent voters register ( Salford south ) @ Boond street, Salford  Births Mar 1/4 1889 Donaldson Nicholas Francis Registered Salford Vol-  . Page-20 Births Mar 1/4 1898 Donaldson Richard Charles Registered Prestwich Vol- Page-400 What i think is the same family 1911 @11 Wilfred St Salford John William Donaldson 45 Margret Donaldson 43 John Wm Donaldson 24 Archelas Donaldson 22 ( transcribed wrongly and should be NICHOLAS) Ethel Donaldson 20 May Donaldson 18 Hilda Donaldson 16 Richard Donaldson 13 Jenet Donaldson 11 Albert Donaldson Ben |
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Post by dasser on May 31, 2012 14:29:32 GMT
Thanks Ben as I've never seen that absent voters list before - yes that is him in 1918 when he was away fighting for the Manchester regt. in France, though I see it doesn't list that for some reason.
Re the unit listing the only thing is I can only ever find the name of the 43rd in HG lists but nothing more. I know there are other threads on here with the same problem too.
I thought perhaps it might be worth trying the medal record route for the defence medal (at least it would tell me he served) and have just been sent the form from the mod. I'll try that and let you know if I have any luck.
Thanks again.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 15:11:18 GMT
Oh ! do let me know how you get on. I have never know any who has applied for Home guard records before and would like to know what you get ( that is if they do manage to anything) in regards records? Might be worth you having a quick read on what the nation archives have on this matter. Click for the N.A. page for the home guardBen |
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Post by dasser on May 31, 2012 16:17:10 GMT
Ok will do - it's not actually HG records though, just a medal record. Let's see what it turns up, fingers crossed!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2012 16:25:42 GMT
By the way what was Richards service number WW1?
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Post by dasser on May 31, 2012 17:37:55 GMT
He had a couple in the duration, but demobbed with 31901 for the 2nd East Lancs, having been in 3rd and 2/9 Manchester Regt. There was this letter with his pension records, which also extend right up to the end of his territorial service in 1928 - it proved a really nice find for my mum, who saw her Dad's handwriting for the first time since he died in 1955:  |
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Post by mack on Jun 1, 2012 14:41:57 GMT
richard originally enlisted in the RAMC as pte 598[renumbered 1917 as 357351] r.c donaldson,he was stationed at the 2nd western gen hospital manchester until his transfer to the manchester regt on 26-7-1917 as pte 52247,he went to france on 16-1-1918 and posted to the 9th manchesters,he was transferred to the 2nd east lancs on 18-6-18,after his demob on 20th august 1919 he re-enlisted in the 8th lancs fusiliers
married miss charlotte tansey in 1943
children
thomas 1944
william 1946
marie 1949
margaret 1953
this could be his oldest brother
john,william donaldson
7th cheshire regt
enlisted october 1915
born about 1888/89
gassed at ypres in 1918
invalided home and employed on guarding german POWS
demobbed 1919
died from the effects of gas on 7th january 1921
aged 33
resided 3 collier st,greengate salford
mack
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Post by dasser on Jun 1, 2012 20:35:32 GMT
Wow Mack that's incredible. Thanks so much for going to the trouble. You're right about his marriage as that was my Grandmother whom I knew obviously as Grandma Donaldson.
I didn't know about his brother so I will work down that line too.
In terms of his HG connection, it only occurred to me yesterday that he would have probably been in a Manchester unit given his proximity (Greengate being on the outskirts of Manchester) so I think I might have to pay the £30 fee and apply to the army records for them to do a search for me.
Thanks again,
Darren
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Post by dasser on Jun 1, 2012 20:40:03 GMT
Sorry Mack just noticed one more thing - you mention a son called William which is a complete shock if it's true as we have no record of him being born, just the other three you mention. If this is the case he would be my uncle.
Where did you get this info from and are you sure this is correct?
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Post by mack on Jun 2, 2012 7:04:56 GMT
hiya dasser.
william died shortly after he was born
nicholas,francis donaldson,your grandfathers other brother enlisted in the KORL regt as pte 15959 and then transferred to the 661st labour coy as pte 373378
mack
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Post by dasser on Jun 2, 2012 7:28:50 GMT
That's great - thanks. I've found William on ancestry.co.uk so I'll order the birth and death certificate for him.
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