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Post by Hawker Hurricane on Aug 27, 2014 13:23:01 GMT
I'll have a rummage through what I have and let you know asap.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 13:41:33 GMT
Hi & welcome Natalie. I am struggling to find this family? are you sure you have correct details? I looked on the Manchester, Stretford & Salford casualties list for 1940 & 41 air raids but did not see this family listed? I checked the BMD's but could not find any Anthony, Martin and Anne Gardner born 1927 to 1941 with the same mothers maiden name? I also could not find any deaths for them 1939 - 1945 I did see a Marriage for a John Gardner to an Agnes McNamara 1926 at Chorlton-on-Medlock register office or registrar attended, they had three children. These three children all have the surname Gardner & the mothers maiden name of McNamara: John Gardner born Dec 1/4 1927, Salford Elizabeth Gardner born Mar 1/4 1929, Manchester South Michael J Gardner born June 1/4 1931, Manchester North
The Michael J Gardner who was born 1931 i think died Sept 1954 age 23 and is buried in Southern cemetery Manchester. Roman Catholic section, grave number: K-2149
Can you give your grandfathers date of birth? Do you know his mothers maiden name? Have you checked his Australian naturalization records?
I can see two J. Gardner's on passenger list for Australia one states last residence: Cadoxton, Barry, South Wales Born 1927 on ships list 1949 to Sydney, New South Wales, Australia Second one, J. A. Gardner Born 1928 on ships list 1949 to Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, he is listed as Royal Australian Air Force Personel . Last UK abode: 24 Andrew street, Higher Openshaw Manchester 11.
Ben
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Post by Hawker Hurricane on Aug 27, 2014 19:42:17 GMT
Hi Natalie,
Unfortunately, I have only been able to find exactly what Ben has reported above. I have also checked British Newspapers Online, and found no articles relating to the Gardner family.
I also checked the Civilian War Dead Roll of Honour (the memorial book held in the St. George's Chapel in Westminster Abbey, and maintained as Commonwealth War Graves Commission memorial to WW2 Civilians to perished) lists for all people named Gardner, but although 64 Gardners are listed, none match the family details above, and these would have corresponding entries in the England and Wales death registration indexes which both Ben and I have searched.
Sadly, it would appear that some incorrect information has been passed down the family over the years.
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Post by natgardner on Aug 29, 2014 1:35:54 GMT
It appears so, I was hoping it was just something I was missing. I'll have to search to see if there are any death records for John and Agnes Gardner at another time or place... I'm not sure if this Michael J Gardner is another sibling of my grandfather... But definitely fits in with the maiden name of McNamara. Might have to request a birth certificate and see... My grandfather John Gardner also was meant to have another sibling called Mary who married Robert Haslem/Hoslem and had a child... Can't find her birth record either.... Or their marriage record. I'll have to check my information at home but I believe they were married around 1950.
Where did you find the passenger list Ben. The first one must be my grandfather, he came out to Australia around that time. Will have to check my information at home to see if it was 1949.
Thank you both for looking into this for me. I really did think I was missing something but it appears it's just incorrect information.
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Post by natgardner on Aug 29, 2014 1:53:52 GMT
Also, I found out last night that it appears my grandfather (John Gardner Senior) was born in a workhouse (as his birth certificate states 2 Stott Lane, Salford was their residence at his birth). I'm still researching what this means, but if you have any knowledge of this it would be great fully received.
Thank you both again! I really am most appreciative of any light you can shed on my family background.
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Post by Hawker Hurricane on Oct 31, 2014 17:50:47 GMT
2 Stott Lane was the address of the Salford Workhouse, and also the free infirmary (funded by the Guardians). It was on what today is Salford Royal Hospital site but is more widely known as Hope Hospital. The original Salford Royal Infirmary (where treatment had to be paid for before the NHS) is now closed and turned into flats.
Many people could not afford the high cost of medical treatment from a doctor, so went to the free infirmary for assistance.
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